M&S apologises over trans employee in bra department (Telegraph)

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How many “cis” male members of staff do you suppose would approach teenage girls in the lingerie department?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/04/ms-apologises-over-trans-employee-in-bra-department/

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Nope the other side(s) who opted to run with laws and social change demanding people comply and lie did not need Trump and Cos help to piss off the America public.

Kicking males out of womens sports is an easy win.

The idiots who are protecting peoples rights and a mans right to an abortion are not exactly in any position to win the hearts and minds of the public.

And so many other own goals left him and the party as the last least worst voter option.

@ItsFridayIminLoveJS You really cannot compare a male nurse helping a human go to the toilet, to a male fitting a woman or girl for a bra. Wtf would a male know about how bras are worn and fitted?

A quick demonstration of why some of these men vociferously defend their fellow men.

I've seen several claims in this thread that I haven't seen in any of the articles and other sources. 1) the claim that the employee asked about bra size. This isn't something that I've seen in any of the quotes from the lady who complained. She said that the employee politely offered help, I've seen nothing more specific 2) that this employee was on a different floor or shouldn't have been near the lingerie department. M&S said specifically in their response that colleagues work all across the store. If anyone has any other sources other that the newspaper articles please do post them.

You are naive, and delusional. Almost none of them pass. If one has eyeballs in their head, they KNOW.

Why do you expect people to provide you with sources when you seem to be so insistent that your interpretation is the correct one and that everyone else is wrong?

Surely you would go and check this out for yourself before commenting that you know better? No? Surely if you were so confident you would have already checked all this before posting just now?

Was it a man's job to go round looking for girls to 'help' in the bra fitting changing room?

Is there anything, anything that a man who says he is a woman can do that you will say 'Oh, that's gone too far'?

Anything?

2) A staff member politely asks whether they need help

1) the claim that the employee asked about bra size. This isn't something that I've seen in any of the quotes from the lady who complained. She said that the employee politely offered help, I've seen nothing more specific

Can you explain what you mean by "help" when you say the male member of staff offering to help the customer who is standing in the middle of the underwear section?

What kind of help can be offered which is not product related?

Again I know that you are choosing not to answer the questions.

(Dear Reader lets be honest we all know that Lun82 cant justify the actual act)

Using your own facts from your prior post:

The sequence of events in the articles I've read is 1) The mother and her daughter are shipping, planning a potential bra fitting.

Can you explain why you think
● it is socially acceptable
• for a male member of staff to approach a 14 year old girl (who was not looking for help from a member of staff ) and
• seek to speak to her about underwear generally and specifically about her bra size?

There's additional info from the mother, linked above, that clarifies the man shouldn't have been in the bra section. Also that he approached the teenager thinking she was alone.

Lun's the guy who, when sitting in the dock accused of stealing the diamonds, hears that six people saw him do it and replies, "But I can show you millions of people who didn't!"

I'd interpret it as the girl, mum, both, saw something off in a man not known to them and reacted accordingly. Its instinctive but based factors like approaching a girl he thought was on her own, in an area specifically aimed at females, recoiling when he saw an adult with her, etc. Who knows his background but theres always unknown clues. How he was dressed or identifies shouldn't excuse women following their instincts.

And who was suprised by his twitter history ?
💅

In fact, "If anyone has any other sources other that the newspaper articles please do post them" is a sure sign you have not bothered to even read the fucking thread.

The information you seek about what floor this person was supposed to be on has already been posted. Perhaps you should do some research before posting telling people that you haven't got a clue.

All I see is Lun82 doubling down on their opinion which seems to have bypassed any fact finding process and defies logic.

It has been asked of them and others before, what kind of 'help' can a male store employee offer to a teenaged girl in a bra section that does not include a discussion about size, style and usage?

It seem that the aim of that poster is simply to join in with the others in shaming those pointing out the safeguarding fail and to not actually engage with thread.

Plus ca change.

It would be in his job description. But for all that women and girls are entitled to same sex intimate care. If you or daughter were unhappy about him doing this work you could have asked for a female. Also your daughter should have been chaperoned at all times.

hwoever, this man was a general assistant for clothing in M&S. I’ve been shopping on M&S since I was pre teen which would 1970s. Including a
l my bras until I became post menopause and decided to buy on line. In ALL my life I have NEVER been approached by an assistant in M&S clothing, or any department for that matter, asking if I needed help. I imagine most women here that shop in M&S are same as me. It is just not what M&S assistants do. They’re out on floor doing jobs and you go up to them to ask, or they’re behind tills, or they’re in changing rooms (though they didn’t used to have those other than bra fitting) . It is simply not a thing that M&S employee sufficient staff to wander the shop floor like a boutique asking customers if they need help. Even back in 1970s

so I’d be pretty wary of any M&S staff approaching me aged 60 plus asking me if I needed help, especially in bra department. It’s not normal amd it’s weird. If I need help I’d book a fitting service. If that person is a man , clearly a man, it says he is someone with no boundaries and no sense to understand women, or at least a lot of women, would find it intimidating, embarrassing. Most decent men dragged into bra department by their partners, realtives etc hang back, avoid eye contact, and clearly want to get out asap. Yep, a few will engage with partner when it’s “special” undies but I’ve never had a bloke hang around while I’m shuffling through the racks looking for my size…they beat a hasty retreat.

That is the issue here. Not that this bloke works in clothing generally. It is fact he approached a teenage girl who was obviously looking ant the bras and asked if she needed help. M&S female staff don’t do that. It is not normal. His behaviour was certainly predatory and sexually motivated.

In fact, "If anyone has any other sources other that the newspaper articles please do post them" is a sure sign you have not bothered to even read the fucking thread.

Why would he? It's just women talking. What could we possibly have to say that might be important?

I haven't seen anything that indicates that the employee asked her about her bra size. Where did you see that? Yes it would be very awkward and frowned on for a teenage girl to be asked about her bra size by a man, but this employee wasn't doing bra fittings and like I said we have no evidence that the asked about bra size. There's plenty of potential ways to offer help which are none product specific. "Do you need any help?" is a pretty standard question from a retail worker, especially if a customer was looking a bit lost.

Nice to see you've woken up again.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on some of the posts made whilst you were sleep about safeguarding policies which assume ALL people are a risk as default and then tell people not to put themselves into certain positions for their own protection. And how people who do, are a safeguarding risk - even if they are completely innocent and well intentioned.

Seriously! Any adult male person who approaches a 14 year old girl to talk to her abour underwear is behaving in - at best- a repulsively exploitative way. Any half decent man knows that. Any male teenager knows that! My 14 year old son would not approach a strange girl and start talking to her about underwear! Why? Because he’s not a creep.

What on earth is M&S doing- making teenage girls, out shopping, into a smorgasbord for the male viewer? Do the ‘M’ & ‘S’ stand for Male and Sex now? Don’t women & girls have the most basic rights to safety & privacy & dignity in their stores? Do they even want female customers?

This is what happens when employers are too afraid to use common sense.

It always the bloody same isn't it?

Pervy men, defend pervy men, for the pervy man's completely 'innocent' behaviour.

They don't have M&S in the USA do they?

I suggest that you do some research on the situation you are confidently claiming that you have the correct interpretation about.

And I would also ask yourself, why are you so determined to excuse the inappropriate behaviour of this male person?

Anyone else getting yet further creep vibes from the way he keeps wanting to talk to us about a teenager and her bra, even though he's proven that he hasn't read what we've already posted?

@ColourThief Of course it's always those with a vested interest, ie a 'trans child' that defend this the most, so no, you are the one who should 'bore off'. It's because to admit the truth to yourself would be too painful and uncomfortable.

And if you think it's ok for a MALE, any MALE human being, to 'help' women with lingerie, you lack any sense of safeguarding or reasoning. The anti-women rhetoric has gone too far and we are f'cking sick of it! Isn't it exhausting to be so full of hate for the vulnerable female sex and our rights? Many of us rape survivors who don't want a* *male trying to fit us up for a bra? Look in the mirror for a classic example of hateful. And get off your knees for males.