M&S apologises over trans employee in bra department (Telegraph)

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How many “cis” male members of staff do you suppose would approach teenage girls in the lingerie department?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/04/ms-apologises-over-trans-employee-in-bra-department/

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But it wasn't a female. If it had been, that would have been ok.

It was a male.

No we don't. The response from M&s didn't confirm that

Like I said, they think we don't notice. They don't think their cover is blown.

This is pig in a wig stuff, that's the level of Poundshop disguise they're at, but years and years of everyone in power simping over them while monstering anyone who objected has made them this confident. He really, truly thinks he can tell us this is no different from any normal salesperson innocently offering help, he really thinks the cover is that good, he really thinks they've got plausible deniability. Obviously I learned at a very young age that they think we're props and objects, we all did, but I didn't realise they also thought we were so damn stupid.

Well, none of us was there, so we'll have to go on the information we have - a complaint was made about a trans employee inappropriately approaching a young girl, and the shop apologised.

Which stage of the narcissists prayer is it to deny it happened?

The M&S response said that colleagues typically work across all departments.

And which stage of the narcissists prayer is saying even if it did happen it's not that bad? Have we got the stages the wrong way round here?

The M&S response has not trued to claim he was female.

He was not supposed to be in the lingerie department.

He approached a young girl that he thought was alone and then scarpered when her mum turned up.

Very similar scenarios have been reported by multiple posters. Why are you so determined to deny this has happened?

Really? Never spotted Pete working in women's lingerie.

The girl didn’t need his help.
She didn’t seek him out.
He sort her out
Hes a transwomen

Chucking it all out and hoping something will stick. Somewhere, somehow, it's OK for a dude in a dress to approach a teenage girl who's bra shopping and try to get involved in the process.

You remember how back in the day they were just saying hello, just being friendly, stop being such a rude bitch, you there in your school uniform? This is what they do now. And they think we still don't notice

this.

I'm pushing back against assumptions. This entire thread has run away with 1) the fact that the employee was trans. We don't know this. And 2) that the employee shouldn't have been where they were. The M&S response says that colleagues work across all areas of the store.

Ach Luna - the Mum has the emails from M&S.

You're just embarrassing yourself

M&S wouldn’t be apologising if nothing had happened yet girl still not believed. Shocking!

I’m late to this thread but I’ve got to reply to your posts because you’re where I was in February and unfortunately it’s hopelessly optimistic. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but

a) the aggressive patient issue is still very much alive and well in NHS policies. Our audit hasn’t identified any protected single sex spaces in the entire country.

b) as one of the many who emailed the GMC with concerns about Dr Upton’s claim he’d treat a female patient even if she’d asked for single sex care - the GMC was clear that they don’t require their Drs to declare their sex. And so I doubt DR u will face any repercussions for medical practice or statements. I suspect they might take issue with the allegedly falsified phone evidence instead but I’m sure they’ll steer well clear of any disciplinary connected to trans. Theyre totally captured.

@Lun82 M&S hasn't tried to gaslight and say there was no transwomen there so we're not going to accept gaslighting from you. Give it up.

And neither did the adolescent girl.

Yet this experience, familiar to all who have been through female adolescence, will have been made all the more excruciatingly embarrassing by the unwanted intervention of an obvious male in the lingerie dept.

But sod the girl and her feelings according to @Lun82, and sod the feelings of any woman who objects, just as long as we bow to your ideology.

Dr Upton’s claim he’d treat a female patient even if she’d asked for single sex care

I thought this was particularly terrifying

They also said he shouldn’t have been in that department and apologised.

He sought her out

If you are a man you won’t be aware
So
No one who works at M&S walks up to customers whilst they are looking at bras and asks them if they need help
Thats not the done thing
An unspoken rule of respect amongst women if you will

He didn’t understand that very womanly natural thing to do. He broke the respect. Because he doesn’t understand it.

@Lun82

Can you explain why you think
● it is socially acceptable
• for a male member of staff to approach a 14 year old girl (who was not looking for help from a member of staff ) and
• seek to speak to her about underwear generally and specifically about her bra size?

"pushing back against assumptions"

It's always about the free thinking with them, isn't it? I'm not a creep, I'm not eroding safeguards, I'm not greasing the wheels for access to teenagers in their underwear. I'm a warrior for justice, a free thinker challenging the silly assumptions of women about men who approach them about their bras.

You remember them from when you were 14, I know you do, and beyond. This is how they see themselves. And we all know how they see us.

That’s not what the mother says. She says he approached her daughter when she wasn’t there, and went away when she appeared.

Are you suggesting that the mum (who has spoken about this on social media) and daughter don’t know a man when he is stood in front of them? Or are you accusing them of lying?

The mum was told that the employee was working in another department. There was no reason for him to be present in the lingerie section and as PPs have reported, M&S staff don’t approach customers. He did.

This isn’t ‘assumptions’ - this is a discussion based on the facts available. Why do you feel the need to step in at this stage of the thread and start arguing the toss?

Everyone remembers their first embarrassing bra shopping trip, perhaps M&S need a "don't offer proactive help with underwear shopping policy. The issue here is the assumption that this employee was trans, and the accusation that they were somehow doing something wrong by offering help. They weren't, there were doing their job. Just like any other retail worker.