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Trans group attack Wes Streeting"s constituency office

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DrudgeJedd · 01/08/2025 20:18

Happened this morning but doesn't seem to be reported anywhere. Trans protest group Bash Back smashed a large window & painted "child killer" (although it looks more like 'chip king' 😁).
Manifesto seems to be the usual MtF centred hyperbole about 'our trans sisters' and repeats the mass suicide myth that Jolyon Maugham & his daughters' group Trans Kids Deserve Better have been trying to blame on Streeting since last summer. I wonder if TKDB have decided that leaving paper coffins outside of this office every day isn't getting the attention they want?
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MarieDeGournay · 02/08/2025 11:45

I have a feeling that this kind of violent direct action is part of a performance of being 'the most marginalised'.

Historically, marginalised and oppressed people eventually can't take it any more and aggressive or even violent protest breaks out. This often happens after years of non-violent, peaceful demonstrations for civil rights are ignored, or are violently suppressed, and the angrier voices within the community win out by saying, look, if we protest peacefully they just baton charge or even shoot us dead, we have to meet force with force.

The incongruity about Bash Back and TRA violence is that they haven't had to put in the hard yards of fighting discrimination and marching for basic civil rights - trans people have the same civil rights as anyone else, and have in fact achieved a totally disproportionate amount of power and influence in society.

So they have gone straight to the violent stage of protest, without the years of political activism, non-violent civil rights marches etc. that truly marginalised groups usually go through.

It's performative, self-indulgent, and insulting to the groups who do have to work hard for their civil rights.

Merrymouse · 02/08/2025 12:07

MarieDeGournay · 02/08/2025 11:45

I have a feeling that this kind of violent direct action is part of a performance of being 'the most marginalised'.

Historically, marginalised and oppressed people eventually can't take it any more and aggressive or even violent protest breaks out. This often happens after years of non-violent, peaceful demonstrations for civil rights are ignored, or are violently suppressed, and the angrier voices within the community win out by saying, look, if we protest peacefully they just baton charge or even shoot us dead, we have to meet force with force.

The incongruity about Bash Back and TRA violence is that they haven't had to put in the hard yards of fighting discrimination and marching for basic civil rights - trans people have the same civil rights as anyone else, and have in fact achieved a totally disproportionate amount of power and influence in society.

So they have gone straight to the violent stage of protest, without the years of political activism, non-violent civil rights marches etc. that truly marginalised groups usually go through.

It's performative, self-indulgent, and insulting to the groups who do have to work hard for their civil rights.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-46454454

A nostalgic look back to the old days (2018) when urine was being thrown at doors despite the Conservatives being fully on board with TWAW and self ID.

Prof Rosa Freedman

Rosa Freedman: Professor's door 'covered in urine' after gender law debate

Rosa Freedman says she feared for her safety after taking part in a gender recognition debate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-46454454

WarriorN · 02/08/2025 12:10

Compare and contrast with the “vandalism” of woman’s rights campaigners outside Kirsty Blackman smp’s office a few years ago:

and the outpouring of sympathy due to the violence of a ribbon bow:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-ribbon-terror/comment-page-1/#comments

Trans group attack Wes Streeting"s constituency office
Treaclewell · 02/08/2025 12:35

I have been comparing and contrasting performances of revolutionary songs this last week, in hopes of finding a new earworm instead of "Do you hear the people sing?" "La Marseillaise (Casablanca)" The Internationale" (Billy Bragg) and this morning I realised these TRAs see themselves as Eddie Redmayne* et al climbing on the catafalque to a triumphant crescendo. They've hyped themselves up as the goodies. I'm with Javert. "These schoolboys..." And it is the song of angry MEN, and as always with these songs, it drives them on to martydom. Only they don't see it. Even though it says it in Les Mis. Where they should have sung the Marseillaise. Which doesn't. They see themselves as the heroes bringing the world they want to see beyond the barricades, and if the impure blood in the gutters is that of women, who cares? But it is the women will not be slaves again. And they are not heroes. What it will take to make them see the reality of the world they are in, this side of the fancied barricades I can't imagine.
*Do we know which side he is on?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 02/08/2025 14:38

ArabellaScott · 02/08/2025 08:08

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_Back!

The original group from the US.

More influence from the USA, it's bad enough that our nutters are thick as two short planks but to have them so devoid of creativity that they need to copy other countries is a national disgrace.

Why hasn't the UK produced a higher class of 'shroud wavers', not so much 'trans rage' as kiddolt tantrums.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2025 15:38

MarieDeGournay · 02/08/2025 11:45

I have a feeling that this kind of violent direct action is part of a performance of being 'the most marginalised'.

Historically, marginalised and oppressed people eventually can't take it any more and aggressive or even violent protest breaks out. This often happens after years of non-violent, peaceful demonstrations for civil rights are ignored, or are violently suppressed, and the angrier voices within the community win out by saying, look, if we protest peacefully they just baton charge or even shoot us dead, we have to meet force with force.

The incongruity about Bash Back and TRA violence is that they haven't had to put in the hard yards of fighting discrimination and marching for basic civil rights - trans people have the same civil rights as anyone else, and have in fact achieved a totally disproportionate amount of power and influence in society.

So they have gone straight to the violent stage of protest, without the years of political activism, non-violent civil rights marches etc. that truly marginalised groups usually go through.

It's performative, self-indulgent, and insulting to the groups who do have to work hard for their civil rights.

It is and as pp have said helps them perpetuate this fantasy world and they cling to it. Read any TRA thread on Reddit at the moment. Full of sound and fury about how they will resist and win the day.

SionnachRuadh · 02/08/2025 17:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2025 15:38

It is and as pp have said helps them perpetuate this fantasy world and they cling to it. Read any TRA thread on Reddit at the moment. Full of sound and fury about how they will resist and win the day.

They flip flop between grandiosity and catastrophism. One moment they're Che Guevara planning to overthrow the Supreme Court and all its works and pomps, the next moment they're in the pit of despair and asking for advice on countries they can emigrate to before Wes Streeting sends them to the concentration camps.

For some reason the Trans UK subreddit reminds me of a time in my life when I was watching a lot of Hi-5 and Elmo's World in the mornings, because before I had my coffee my brain could only handle TV made for toddlers.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 02/08/2025 17:23

Funny how none of the usual career contrarians have showed up to justify, explain (or mansplain) their way out of this one. I got my bingo card ready for nothing.

murasaki · 02/08/2025 17:28

I'm surprised Dawn Butler stuck her head above the parapet, but fair play to her, like all MPs, she knows how bad this can get. She's still totally doolally, but I have a certain level of respect for her doing this knowing the kickback she'd get.

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/08/2025 17:30

Has this appeared on trans Reddit yet?

MarieDeGournay · 02/08/2025 17:58

I haven't fully thought this opinion through, but I think 'being angry' has become a thing in itself, as if anger validates and justifies an opinion, instead of vice versa.

Becoming angry used to be an extreme reaction, sometimes justified, but only as a reaction to something egregiously bad.
In other cases, becoming angry for no good reason was indicative of a lack of rational thinking or of self-control.

Now anger seems to be a first resort not a last one: disagree with someone on social media? threaten them with rape or death. Disagree with fossil fuels? damage a work of art. Disagree with just about anything in society? Block roads. Riot. Burn down buildings, even with people in them...
If challenged, just say the magic word 'People are angry' ..

SidewaysOtter · 02/08/2025 18:01

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 02/08/2025 17:23

Funny how none of the usual career contrarians have showed up to justify, explain (or mansplain) their way out of this one. I got my bingo card ready for nothing.

Tumbleweed GIF

I know, you'd think our resident scolders would be out in force to educate us on why this is all completely normal/justifiable/necessary but...tumbleweed.

EdithStourton · 02/08/2025 18:03

A slight derail from all the mature posts on here...

But I walked the dogs this afternoon and as I trudged up through a field of wheat I thought about Chip King and it really made me smile.

And I couldn't remember what the graffito actually said...

Next time I see him on the news I shall have restrain myself from shouting 'Chip King!' and either looking bonkers or outing myself as an FWR regular.

SionnachRuadh · 02/08/2025 18:09

I mean if Wes should lose his seat in 2029, he could strike out on a new career providing fish and chips to the broad masses of Ilford. I'm sure he'd be good at it.

DefineHappy · 03/08/2025 01:57

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2025 08:16

I came across this this morning and feel it's relevant. https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1163478536297930753 It's a thread of nearly 30 posts, started a few years ago. The gist is that much of the immaturity and tantrums we see now is because children who grew up on the internet were effectively being brought up by other children with no adult supervision or intervention and consequently haven't been shown or learned adult ways of behaviour, e.g. debate, compromise, throwing a tantrum won't get you what you want, respect for others' beliefs, sometimes you have to hear the word no and accept it.

Edited

Add to that the diabolical impact of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones on cognition, executive functioning and maturity - it is inevitable that truly damaged children/young people are the result.

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2025 11:59

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/08/2025 17:30

Has this appeared on trans Reddit yet?

Thread here, in which Streeting is called 'rat', 'weasel', and 'lower than vermin'.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1mfk8cs/the_new_suffragette_movement_is_here/

SidewaysOtter · 03/08/2025 12:07

“New Suffragette Movement” Hmm

They just can’t stop appropriating women’s stuff, can they? And inaccurate as well, as suffrage is the right to vote. No one is saying trans people can’t vote…

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2025 12:11

Remember to report any violent threats or ideation, even coded ones such as mentioning historical events etc. I find Reddit actually quite good on sanctioning them.

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2025 12:12

SidewaysOtter · 03/08/2025 12:07

“New Suffragette Movement” Hmm

They just can’t stop appropriating women’s stuff, can they? And inaccurate as well, as suffrage is the right to vote. No one is saying trans people can’t vote…

Also completely ignoring that TIMs wouldn’t have needed the suffragette movement because their sex would have allowed them the vote.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2025 12:15

They’ve been trying to claim this for a while. Vogue featured Paris Lees in a “new suffragettes” photo shoot on the anniversary of the first women having the right to vote. And Willoughby, ludicrously has also claimed he is a suffragette.

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2025 12:16

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2025 11:59

Thread here, in which Streeting is called 'rat', 'weasel', and 'lower than vermin'.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1mfk8cs/the_new_suffragette_movement_is_here/

Thanks @ArabellaScott.

Chersfrozenface · 03/08/2025 12:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2025 12:15

They’ve been trying to claim this for a while. Vogue featured Paris Lees in a “new suffragettes” photo shoot on the anniversary of the first women having the right to vote. And Willoughby, ludicrously has also claimed he is a suffragette.

I don't suppose it's anything to do with sex realist women using suffragette colours, is it?

I mean, they already came for the dinosaurs.

Is there nothing they won't nick?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2025 12:22

I imagine so, although that wasn’t quite so prominent in 2018.

Abhannmor · 03/08/2025 12:46

EdithStourton · 02/08/2025 18:03

A slight derail from all the mature posts on here...

But I walked the dogs this afternoon and as I trudged up through a field of wheat I thought about Chip King and it really made me smile.

And I couldn't remember what the graffito actually said...

Next time I see him on the news I shall have restrain myself from shouting 'Chip King!' and either looking bonkers or outing myself as an FWR regular.

Edited

A field of wheat eh? You are Theresa May and I claim £10. Though willing to accept Euros.

SidewaysOtter · 03/08/2025 12:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2025 12:15

They’ve been trying to claim this for a while. Vogue featured Paris Lees in a “new suffragettes” photo shoot on the anniversary of the first women having the right to vote. And Willoughby, ludicrously has also claimed he is a suffragette.

Well, Windy claims he’s a biological
woman so I think his grip on reality is - at best - tenuous Grin

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