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Trans group attack Wes Streeting"s constituency office

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DrudgeJedd · 01/08/2025 20:18

Happened this morning but doesn't seem to be reported anywhere. Trans protest group Bash Back smashed a large window & painted "child killer" (although it looks more like 'chip king' 😁).
Manifesto seems to be the usual MtF centred hyperbole about 'our trans sisters' and repeats the mass suicide myth that Jolyon Maugham & his daughters' group Trans Kids Deserve Better have been trying to blame on Streeting since last summer. I wonder if TKDB have decided that leaving paper coffins outside of this office every day isn't getting the attention they want?
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StrongasSixpence · 01/08/2025 23:42

Doesn't every suicide of someone under 18 get a serious case review? That is the responsibility of the local coroner not the government. There was a story on the BBC recently about a tragic case where a young trans person with serious mental health issues died by suicide after poluce failures to follow up a call. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg6gv3r782o.amp www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg6gv3r782o.amp]]

I don't think a spate of suicides would be possible to cover up.

NeverOneBiscuit · 01/08/2025 23:44

I guess when everybody laughs at your moobs out protest & sponsors fall away from Pride events, you’re back to a bit of good old male violence

PlumRavene · 02/08/2025 01:22

https://github.com/activistwebsite/transbashback

They left the source codes of the www.transbashback.com website open for anyone to read. It has all the revisions to the website files and looks like they set it up in a rush, it's barely three days old according to this.

Contribute to activistwebsite/transbashback development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub - activistwebsite/transbashback

Contribute to activistwebsite/transbashback development by creating an account on GitHub.

https://github.com/activistwebsite/transbashback

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 02/08/2025 01:52

FinallyASunnyDay · 01/08/2025 20:33

Not sure how they think this will help the cause of reinstating puberty blockers....

Not sure how it squares with the Be Kind mantra either.

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2025 01:55

What are they actually trying to achieve apart from ending up being designated as an extremist group and ending up with similar measures taken against them as climate change nutters and pro-palestine groups that have been banned because of criminal behaviour?

You have to be incredibly dense to do this. It's not likely that Wes is going to go "oh you've vandalised my office, best change my opinion on puberty blockers rather than going down the evidence based route".

I just can't fathom the log on this. It doesn't even look good within a social media bubble. It's not like you can claim bragging rights cos the police will catch you.

Make it make sense. Other than the explanation that they really are this dumb.

NotBadConsidering · 02/08/2025 02:08

CinnamonCinnabar · 01/08/2025 20:45

Interesting that this violent group are still repeating the lies about suicide rates. It's almost like they want gender questioning children to come to harm.

Nice that they think Wes does good chips, I have heard that about him.

It's almost like they want gender questioning children to come to harm.

They do. Point out to TRAs that children were never killing themselves in the first place, and haven’t since the cessation of puberty blockers, instead of being relieved at such good news, they’re annoyed they don’t have that statistic as emotional ammunition for their argument. Adult men who need children to transition to justify their existence are particularly aggrieved by the lack of child suicide.

drhf · 02/08/2025 07:07

The theory behind confrontational but non-violent direct action groups is that while they may antagonise moderate opinion, this can be outweighed by the publicity gained for the cause and by the galvanisation of a more mainstream movement pursuing the same goals.

The evidence on whether this works is mixed, but if we assume it does in general, it is still unlikely to work here. The more the public hear about the position advocated here, the more they disagree.

Moreover, the trans movement’s biggest political problem is that they don’t have a moderate wing that could pop up at moments like this to say “well, of course we disagree with their methods but…”. Their own purity spiral has put paid to that. Where are the mainstream LGBT voices arguing for equality law to be changed post FWS, for NHS puberty blocker trials to be speeded up etc.? Nowhere, because saying so publicly gets you vilified as a traitor.

The trans activist movement’s “marooned Pacific soldier” obsession with continuing to fight battles which have already been lost (the Supreme Court decision is guidance, Cass is a stitch up) means that no one is doing any meaningful political work. They’ve been so used to the Dentons method, getting their own way by haranguing a few kindly EDI managers and bureaucrats, that they have no idea how you actually change society.

A protest like this probably will exert a little pressure on LGBT Labour and activists on the left of the party, reminding them that the party’s position is unacceptable to trans rights activists and must not be tolerated. But what will they do in response to that pressure? Their only option is to persist with arguments that the public and even much of the Labour Party find rebarbative - and worse, boring - so there’s no pathway from this to wider political influence. There won’t be any imminent backbench rebellions over recognising certificated gender in the EQA. This is very convenient for those on the left who do want power, as they can continue to mouth the trans rights catechism without having to spend political capital on their issues.

As a broadly gender critical lesbian I welcome this political incompetence and am delighted that we are getting lesbian spaces back. But as a veteran LGB/T activist, I still can’t believe what a mess these toddlers made of the well oiled political machine my betters foolishly handed over to them. (If boiledbeetle is here, is there any chance of an illustration?)

ArabellaScott · 02/08/2025 07:19

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2025 01:55

What are they actually trying to achieve apart from ending up being designated as an extremist group and ending up with similar measures taken against them as climate change nutters and pro-palestine groups that have been banned because of criminal behaviour?

You have to be incredibly dense to do this. It's not likely that Wes is going to go "oh you've vandalised my office, best change my opinion on puberty blockers rather than going down the evidence based route".

I just can't fathom the log on this. It doesn't even look good within a social media bubble. It's not like you can claim bragging rights cos the police will catch you.

Make it make sense. Other than the explanation that they really are this dumb.

Is NICE often persuaded by graffiti and broken windows?

But that's not who this is for. This is group bonding exercise and a demonstration to others within the in group.

It's a kind of storytelling. And for those persuaded by the cult, pushback and ridicule only emphasises the point they're making.

They are marginalised, and they must keep it that way.

ArabellaScott · 02/08/2025 07:29

drhf · 02/08/2025 07:07

The theory behind confrontational but non-violent direct action groups is that while they may antagonise moderate opinion, this can be outweighed by the publicity gained for the cause and by the galvanisation of a more mainstream movement pursuing the same goals.

The evidence on whether this works is mixed, but if we assume it does in general, it is still unlikely to work here. The more the public hear about the position advocated here, the more they disagree.

Moreover, the trans movement’s biggest political problem is that they don’t have a moderate wing that could pop up at moments like this to say “well, of course we disagree with their methods but…”. Their own purity spiral has put paid to that. Where are the mainstream LGBT voices arguing for equality law to be changed post FWS, for NHS puberty blocker trials to be speeded up etc.? Nowhere, because saying so publicly gets you vilified as a traitor.

The trans activist movement’s “marooned Pacific soldier” obsession with continuing to fight battles which have already been lost (the Supreme Court decision is guidance, Cass is a stitch up) means that no one is doing any meaningful political work. They’ve been so used to the Dentons method, getting their own way by haranguing a few kindly EDI managers and bureaucrats, that they have no idea how you actually change society.

A protest like this probably will exert a little pressure on LGBT Labour and activists on the left of the party, reminding them that the party’s position is unacceptable to trans rights activists and must not be tolerated. But what will they do in response to that pressure? Their only option is to persist with arguments that the public and even much of the Labour Party find rebarbative - and worse, boring - so there’s no pathway from this to wider political influence. There won’t be any imminent backbench rebellions over recognising certificated gender in the EQA. This is very convenient for those on the left who do want power, as they can continue to mouth the trans rights catechism without having to spend political capital on their issues.

As a broadly gender critical lesbian I welcome this political incompetence and am delighted that we are getting lesbian spaces back. But as a veteran LGB/T activist, I still can’t believe what a mess these toddlers made of the well oiled political machine my betters foolishly handed over to them. (If boiledbeetle is here, is there any chance of an illustration?)

So many good points. The shiny corporate machine has fallen away, leaving the most extreme proponents to carry out the kind of desperate tactics we're seeing now.

There is no moderate and reasonable group left at all, is there? Spokespeople? Jo Maugham?!

Everything this lot do is probably more likely to alienate the few left agitating for them within the political system.

Dawn Butler's response may be noteworthy.

(There's something I never thought I'd say).

storminabuttercup · 02/08/2025 08:12

one could, and should, argue that stopping puberty blockers in CHILDREN isn’t stopping them access medical treatment its protecting young, easily influenced children from fucking up their bodies

i know a child on them since 14, too young to get a tattoo

there is no reasoning with these people

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2025 08:16

I came across this this morning and feel it's relevant. https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1163478536297930753 It's a thread of nearly 30 posts, started a few years ago. The gist is that much of the immaturity and tantrums we see now is because children who grew up on the internet were effectively being brought up by other children with no adult supervision or intervention and consequently haven't been shown or learned adult ways of behaviour, e.g. debate, compromise, throwing a tantrum won't get you what you want, respect for others' beliefs, sometimes you have to hear the word no and accept it.

borntobequiet · 02/08/2025 09:14

I predict that actions such as this will result in an increased majority for Wes come the next election, all else being equal.

RethinkingLife · 02/08/2025 09:19

I fear for the impact on democracy. And this isn’t assuaged by the different modes the Police have at present.
Threats and violence against women at large gathering. Banter, typical nature of discourse, both sidesism, as you were.
Various activities? Women, don’t celebrate hard won or expensive victories or you will give the appearance of gloating and what an offence that is. Don’t even photograph images or you will be taken away for a police interview into the small hours.
Remember the times Sue Pascoe and others referred Mumsnet to Prevent? As recently as 2023, Dawn Butler referred us and raised false hopes that a number of us would have the Best Excuse of All Time to get out of preparing the Christmas dinner.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4967923-everyone-scarper-the-rozzers-are-coming

Everyone scarper, the rozzers are coming | Mumsnet

Dawn Butler's called the polis on us! Quick everyone, namechange and look busy. [[https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1737853431413657806 htt...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4967923-everyone-scarper-the-rozzers-are-coming

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 02/08/2025 09:28

blimey, DB really is proof that you don’t need to be grown up to get on in politics

RethinkingLife · 02/08/2025 09:32

Interesting thread on Dawn Butler (also Angela Eagle) and her funding from GLAAD to support self-ID. ETA headline figures quoted of £47,700 for Butler and £100K for Eagle.

Intriguing personal donations from Anthony Watson. Butler appointed Watson as an LGBTQ advisor to her as Shadow Secretary for Women and Equalities.

https://x.com/CatQQShadow/status/1737975191760724307

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11447

https://www.gaytimes.com/life/anthony-watson-linda-riley-advise-labour-challenges-facing-lgbtq-community/

https://x.com/CatQQShadow/status/1737975191760724307

fromorbit · 02/08/2025 09:33

A significant development.

This undermines the MPs who were trying to block Bridget Philipson from supporting the ECHR in doing its job by appointing Mary Ann Stephenson. It makes clear how extreme TAs are and how much they hate science etc.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383602-mary-ann-stephenson-confirmed-chair-of-ehrc

Furthermore it needs to be read in context with internal Labour decision confirming women exist.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5374205-labour-party-rules-updated-after-supreme-court-win-women-exist

That in turn was a response to the attempt by TAs inside Labour to attempt to gain control of LGBT Labour.

By pushing Dawn Butler into being supportive about Streeting the extreme TAs are wrecking the narrow chances of the TAs inside Labour from regaining influence.

Remember Streeting is key in watching over NHS and also in the possibility of a conversion therapy bill. It is clear Streeting peaked a while back, with every unhinged attack on him he understands more the TA agenda and pushes him to stop it. It also becomes clear to everyone else sane inside Labour.

Labour party rules updated after Supreme Court win - Women Exist ! | Mumsnet

The Labour party has suddenly posted a FAQ on the party's official response to the ruling *Supreme Court Judgment FAQs* ^On 16 April 2025, the Supre...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5374205-labour-party-rules-updated-after-supreme-court-win-women-exist

Merrymouse · 02/08/2025 09:33

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2025 01:55

What are they actually trying to achieve apart from ending up being designated as an extremist group and ending up with similar measures taken against them as climate change nutters and pro-palestine groups that have been banned because of criminal behaviour?

You have to be incredibly dense to do this. It's not likely that Wes is going to go "oh you've vandalised my office, best change my opinion on puberty blockers rather than going down the evidence based route".

I just can't fathom the log on this. It doesn't even look good within a social media bubble. It's not like you can claim bragging rights cos the police will catch you.

Make it make sense. Other than the explanation that they really are this dumb.

I think we can conclude that they are really dumb, but I would love to know e.g. Dawn Butler, Zarah Sultana, Nadia Whittome's genuine thoughts on the matter. Do they regret the attack on a constituency office, but support the claims about suicides?

RethinkingLife · 02/08/2025 09:39

RethinkingLife · 02/08/2025 09:32

Interesting thread on Dawn Butler (also Angela Eagle) and her funding from GLAAD to support self-ID. ETA headline figures quoted of £47,700 for Butler and £100K for Eagle.

Intriguing personal donations from Anthony Watson. Butler appointed Watson as an LGBTQ advisor to her as Shadow Secretary for Women and Equalities.

https://x.com/CatQQShadow/status/1737975191760724307

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11447

https://www.gaytimes.com/life/anthony-watson-linda-riley-advise-labour-challenges-facing-lgbtq-community/

Edited

Typo. Too late to edit. Only £46,700 for Butler.

SionnachRuadh · 02/08/2025 09:40

Merrymouse · 02/08/2025 09:33

I think we can conclude that they are really dumb, but I would love to know e.g. Dawn Butler, Zarah Sultana, Nadia Whittome's genuine thoughts on the matter. Do they regret the attack on a constituency office, but support the claims about suicides?

Zarah Sultana, who has zero chance of retaining her seat in Coventry, is currently planning to do the chicken run to stand against Shabana Mahmood in Birmingham Ladywood. All I can say is, good luck with that.

This has been a pretty hopeless government in most respects, but at least in terms of returning to a reality-based approach to sex, the key ministers - Streeting (NHS), Phillipson (education and equalities) and Mahmood (courts and prisons) - are as solid as we could have wished for.

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/08/2025 09:41

Merrymouse · 02/08/2025 09:33

I think we can conclude that they are really dumb, but I would love to know e.g. Dawn Butler, Zarah Sultana, Nadia Whittome's genuine thoughts on the matter. Do they regret the attack on a constituency office, but support the claims about suicides?

I expect that now Dawn’s expressed support they’ll all condemn her as a terf.

FiveBarGate · 02/08/2025 09:42

DorothyWainwright · 01/08/2025 23:39

That fuchsia font on black is impossible to read, so I haven't. If they want people to listen at least stop dicking around with text formatting.

Not to mention that both fail entirely in accessibility which is ironic in a statement about the supposedly marginalised.

Do visually impaired trans people not count?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2025 10:20

We know visually impaired people don't count or we'd never have seen those awful rainbow zebra crossings which guide dogs can't cope with.

HPFA · 02/08/2025 11:10

drhf · 02/08/2025 07:07

The theory behind confrontational but non-violent direct action groups is that while they may antagonise moderate opinion, this can be outweighed by the publicity gained for the cause and by the galvanisation of a more mainstream movement pursuing the same goals.

The evidence on whether this works is mixed, but if we assume it does in general, it is still unlikely to work here. The more the public hear about the position advocated here, the more they disagree.

Moreover, the trans movement’s biggest political problem is that they don’t have a moderate wing that could pop up at moments like this to say “well, of course we disagree with their methods but…”. Their own purity spiral has put paid to that. Where are the mainstream LGBT voices arguing for equality law to be changed post FWS, for NHS puberty blocker trials to be speeded up etc.? Nowhere, because saying so publicly gets you vilified as a traitor.

The trans activist movement’s “marooned Pacific soldier” obsession with continuing to fight battles which have already been lost (the Supreme Court decision is guidance, Cass is a stitch up) means that no one is doing any meaningful political work. They’ve been so used to the Dentons method, getting their own way by haranguing a few kindly EDI managers and bureaucrats, that they have no idea how you actually change society.

A protest like this probably will exert a little pressure on LGBT Labour and activists on the left of the party, reminding them that the party’s position is unacceptable to trans rights activists and must not be tolerated. But what will they do in response to that pressure? Their only option is to persist with arguments that the public and even much of the Labour Party find rebarbative - and worse, boring - so there’s no pathway from this to wider political influence. There won’t be any imminent backbench rebellions over recognising certificated gender in the EQA. This is very convenient for those on the left who do want power, as they can continue to mouth the trans rights catechism without having to spend political capital on their issues.

As a broadly gender critical lesbian I welcome this political incompetence and am delighted that we are getting lesbian spaces back. But as a veteran LGB/T activist, I still can’t believe what a mess these toddlers made of the well oiled political machine my betters foolishly handed over to them. (If boiledbeetle is here, is there any chance of an illustration?)

Thats a brilliant post.

Why did civil partnerships and then gay marriage bevomr non controversial quite quickly? Because people saw pictures of lovely weddings, often very moving when it was elderly people who never expected to be able to do this?

An image of a male stood on top of a podium while the females hang their heads was never going to have the same effect.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 02/08/2025 11:25

Operation let them speak.

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