Trans group attack Wes Streeting"s constituency office

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Happened this morning but doesn't seem to be reported anywhere. Trans protest group Bash Back smashed a large window & painted "child killer" (although it looks more like 'chip king' 😁).
Manifesto seems to be the usual MtF centred hyperbole about 'our trans sisters' and repeats the mass suicide myth that Jolyon Maugham & his daughters' group Trans Kids Deserve Better have been trying to blame on Streeting since last summer. I wonder if TKDB have decided that leaving paper coffins outside of this office every day isn't getting the attention they want?
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Also worth looking at reddit Labour, broadly supportive of the vandalism:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/1mf1kvd/wes_streetings_east_london_office_vandalised_by/

Broadly supportive of the vandalism. And reddit ukpolitics, broadly opposed:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1mf2svo/wes_streetings_east_london_office_vandalised_by/

Indeed, and Streeting and Mahmood are amongst the most likley to replace Starmer when he is eventually toppled.. in my view, certainly.

I suspect Reddit Labour are going to overlap heavily with the Momentum brigade, which always strikes me as the epitome of hard left luxury belief thinking. Knee-deep in keffiyehs and TWAW

I'm starting to wonder what proportion of left Labour will leave for Corbyn's new party once it's actually got a name. According to the BBC Corbyn claims more than 600,000 people have registered as supporters, and I'm guessing the vast majority will be solidly TWAW.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3wnqj2pwvdo

According to the BBC Corbyn claims more than 600,000 people have registered as supporters

But how many of them were already voting Green/libdem/SNP, and where are they?

If the TRAs had been driving a non ULEZ compliant car they'd have em by now

I think a lot of those signing will be older, committed socialist men who go along with TWAW because that is what all of the younger ones are into. Most of them, though, will be committed to very specific economic ideologies around redistribution of wealth and 'smashing capitalism' and 'imperialism'.

Being anti Israel is central... because it ties in lots of strands of ideological dogma. Jeremy Corbyn himself has gone along with TWAW for these sorts of reasons. It keeps the youngsters happy and on board..whilst he has his eyes on the bigger picture which is the downfall of the West.

That we will only learn once they have a proper party structure and begin to run candidates at elections. Looking at the electoral damage Reform is inflicting on the Conservative party, a new left-wing party could similarly damage left-of-centre parties. Next year's devolved assembly elections could be interesting...

I think Corbyn is being a little disingenuous here. He means 600k have signed up to his mailing list. There's a market for what he's offering, but I am unconvinced that the people around Corbyn are going to turn this into a professional outfit.

The people he's attracting from the hard left will be overwhelmingly TWAW. But the problem is that, if Jezbollah is going to win seats outside Islington North, it's going to depend heavily on Muslim votes and independent Muslim MPs and councillors. Do we think that Adnan Hussain will run his re-election campaign in Blackburn on the basis of TWAW?

Corbyn will need to find some formula that allows the trendy white section of the party to spout genderwoo while the Muslims go off and do their own thing. Which is already an issue in Labour, but Labour councils can use patronage to square the circle.

I don't love George Galloway, but Gallows' social conservatism serves a few purposes - it's what he believes, it fits well with Muslim sensibilities, and it fits fairly well with a lot of working class whites who are pissed off with Labour. As a bonus, it's helped him keep Trots from infiltrating the Workers Party.

Which group do you think is larger:

Right leaning people tempted by Reform
Left leaning people tempted by Corbyn

I suggest Corbyn would get fewer votes than Farage because we've already had Corbyn in a senior leadership role and he was completely useless. I suspect a lot of very left people are more likely to vote strategically to try and keep Reform out - but that's all based on my prejudices.
What do others think?

Mothin Ali is having problems with his Green deputy leadership bid over refusing to say definitively that TWAW.

Same problem awaits the Corbyn lot.

The left is more ideological than the right, and therefore more prone to purity spirals. And the right of centre in the UK isn't quite what left wingers on FWR imagine it to be.

Reform had a Muslim chairman for most of the last year, and they've got a gay chairman now. Zia Yusuf and David Bull both seem to be very popular with the membership. When Farage did his press conference on crime the other day he was flanked by Sarah Pochin MP and Westminster councillor Layla Cunningham, neither of whom is anyone's idea of a meek tradwife.

You may dislike Farage, but he can build a big tent.

I don't believe Corbyn can build a big tent. Nor Starmer either, and I'm awaiting to see if any of Starmer's likely successors even recognise the need for a big tent.

Oh now, be fair. What did Emmeline Pankhurst do, and advocate doing? Her slogan was "Deeds, not words".

Next it's gonna be the king's racehorse. Just watch.

I suspect the Reform vote is larger......because it has captured quite a lot of older, socially conservative, working class Labour voters and those who became radicalised during covid...plus it has the Brexit contingency, plus the right wing of the Tory party.

I think the question is also how many left leaning people are tempted by Reform.

They have a better chance than Corbyn of attracting previous labour voters in the old 'heartlands' who feel they have been abandoned by successive governments.

Interesting that Aaron Bastani is now sounding a bit more moderate on immigration. Maybe he'll come out as GC next.

This is purely an Aaron thing though, none of the other talking heads on Wayne's World Novara Media have shifted an iota from their 2019 positions. But he's smarter than them.

It's worth looking up his report from the Runcorn by-election. I'm not sure Bastani is a deep thinker, but he's really good at doing vox pops, stopping voters in the street and having a conversation with them. Talking to real people maybe helps him see outside the bubble.

Reform's plan for the NHS is to "cut waste."

When their leaders are asked how they give variants of "oh its easy, we'll send a businessman in and they'll find lots of waste".

Lee Anderson, when asked how he was going to find these savings, admitted he had no idea and then got annoyed with the interviewer for asking.

Corbyn's lot, when asked how they plan to pay for anything, just say "wealth tax". No serious commentator thinks a wealth tax will raise anything like the sums required.

If we vote for these clowns we cant blame anyone but ourselves for our politics being sh*te.

Sure, but which clowns should we vote for, in that case?

The general degradation of politics is helping nobody. It feels like things have shifted in some weird way, like politics is all hollowed out and meaningless and pointless. It feels like politicians are not in charge and that in turn makes me feel like the centre cannot hold.

I don't think it's the fault of individual politicians, either; larger economic and global situations are the reason.

Yes, but I think we've also got a feckless political class that can't govern. Some people here use populism as a swearword, but it's what you get when you have a failing establishment.

I used to be opposed on principle to conspiracy theories. Now I'm starting to wonder if everything is a psyop, because we're governed by people like Keir Starmer who only know how to do narrative management.

I think we're seeing some of that around the asylum hotel protests. I wonder if there's an effort underway to puff up tiny, irrelevant far right groups as being more important than they are, to justify a crackdown. (I also notice weird things like, in the Epping protests, Essex Police acting as the SWP's taxi service.) Because, if this isn't about far right agitation, if it's organic tension between local communities and the asylum seekers who have been dumped there, in some ways that's more worrying.

Our rulers would much rather manage the narrative than address actual problems. But I don't think they can do that indefinitely. We're at the point where even normies are realising that you can't trust the headlines and BBC Verify is a joke.

😂😂

'even normies are realising that you can't trust the headlines and BBC Verify is a joke'

'GB News has overtaken the BBC as Britain’s most watched news channel for the first time.
New figures from official ratings agency Barb show GB News beat both BBC News and Sky News during key time slots in July, in a major coup for the start-up broadcaster just after its fourth birthday.
The latest data show GB News pulled in an average audience of 80,600 across each day in July. That was ahead of BBC News on 78,700 and 67,000 for Sky News.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/01/gb-news-overtakes-bbc-for-the-first-time/

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52437-first-yougov-mrp-since-2024-election-shows-a-hung-parliament-with-reform-uk-as-largest-party

'If an election were held tomorrow, the central projection from our MRP estimates that Labour would not only lose their majority, falling to 178 seats, but in doing so become second party by some distance in a hung parliament in which Reform UK would be the largest force.
According to our data and models, Nigel Farage’s party would come out of an election with 271 seats, an enormous improvement on their 2024 total of five, placing the party close to government.'

https://natcen.ac.uk/low-trust-governments-drives-growing-demand-electoral-reform

'Levels of trust and confidence have declined markedly over time, from 40% trusting governments ‘just about always’ or ‘most of the time’ in 1986 to just 12% doing so in 2024. As can also be seen – levels of trust and confidence have typically risen after General Elections – though this trend has diminished steadily over time. The 2024 election was no different, and although the final outcome may have been decisive – it did little to restore levels of trust in governments.'

I think the centre has already collapsed we're in the

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity." phase.

But

"Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are:
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."

After all the world didn't come to an end in Yeats day, but then maybe I just in an optimistic mood today.

You could be right, it has happened before

The Last Revolution in England: The Pentrich Rebellion of 1817 by Regan Walker – Regency Fiction Writers

"The uprising of the common people in the Midlands in 1817 was just what the leaders of the British government needed to justify sending a strong signal to the masses that no rebellion, such as occurred in France, would be tolerated in England. The hundreds of villagers who rose up with the pikes and crude weapons (though a few had pistols) to march to Nottingham (with view toward reaching London) were ignorant of the true facts—that the government itself had stirred their rebellion. In truth, they fought “against the wind,” wherefrom I took the title for my Regency romance that features this little known event in England’s history."

Governments don't like it when the population doesn't do what it's told.

I know a few people who have voted Reform, or who are likely to have voted Reform (I've lived around here, on and off, since I was born, so I know a lot of people, from the deeply posh to the descendants of farm labourers whose families have been around here for, literally, at least 400 years). From what I have seen of their FB, and what I know of them in general, they are:
Worried about immigration in terms of housing. They're rural people who resent fields being covered in concrete and the wrongness of digging up Grade A agricultural land to replace it with houses does their heads in; at the same time their kids can't get on the housing ladder, so more head-doing-in.
Worried about immigration in terms of social change. On the whole, they DGAF what colour you are, so long as you get with the programme. The whole ongoing grooming gangs scandal is something else that is doing their heads in.
Socially conservative in some ways, but not that bothered about parents being married or not, and generally not bothered about people being gay. But you should earn your own living, keep an eye on your old mum, and not nick other people's stuff.

They are, on the whole hard-working people who don't take the piss. And they're fed up. They're fed up with house prices, wage stagnation, the state of the NHS, the lack of policing (rural policing is a joke).

The big parties have gone off on insane tangents (Labour: TWAW, changing the rules around farming at the drop of a hat; Tories: managed to fuck everything up; LibDems: TWAW). So they feel that all these parties have got their priorities badly wrong and have abandoned the working class.

I can't see many (any) of them voting for Corbyn.