NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #47

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025

SP has arrived. Waiting for panel.

Cross is going to be brutal isnt it? But SP was calm and factual last time?

I just tried googling "sex matters" phone number. It's the Charity Commission website that is the top hit with a phone number visible in the snippet.

Judge and panel back

(Timings left via the window hours ago)

Sandie up as witness

I thought SP was going last so does this mean the other witness has backed down?

I don't think it's that strategic. I think she is just a mean bully.

Has any one else developed stress acne over the course of this tribunal? No? Just me?

I'll just be sat here applying my witchhazel liberally then.

I think perhaps it's a bit of both?

I've no finger nails left!

Agree aren’t we missing a witness ?

Looking at the jokes

Straight into the flood jokes

My assumption is Gina who likes a drink has declined to appear after yesterday afternoon

Gina where are you.

I'm back in action, so in the absence of Bez? I'll copy TT from here on.

Mainlining a benidorm slammer.

Into how used p*ki growing up

She's trying to bait them into correcting her so she can then say that it's not nice to be called the wrong name (be misgendered) .
i don't see it as the same thing though, your name is your name and should be pronounced correctly. Calling someone he when they are a he is accurate.

In the pub. Been waiting half an hour! Where are you?!

Sandie Peggie giving further evidence.
J Still under oath
NC [to 1705]
J It's in further additional docs
NC Single msg with series of Pakistan flood jokes. Where jokes from?
SP Presume from FB pg
NC Why presume
SP I was using FB at that time and we shared posts.

TT
Sandie Peggie giving further evidence.
J Still under oath
NC [to 1705]
J It's in further additional docs
NC Single msg with series of Pakistan flood jokes. Where jokes from?
SP Presume from FB pg
NC Why presume
SP I was using FB at that time and we shared posts.

TT
NC You shared them to group. How feel c jokes now
SP Looking at them are distasteful. At the time, that humour - expected shocked reaction from the girls. Was one laugh emoji. Shock, horror, laughter.
NC Tell tribunal how people around you used p**i when growing up.
SP Normal.

NC You shared them to group. How feel c jokes now
SP Looking at them are distasteful. At the time, that humour - expected shocked reaction from the girls. Was one laugh emoji. Shock, horror, laughter.
NC Tell tribunal how people around you used p**i when growing up.
SP Normal
SP My first job was shop [title inc Pi]./ Worked there for a year and was fine. Owned by a P call Jav and it was how we described people then. Not pC now but people were happy with usage then.
NC LN told story c you wanting put bacon sandwich through letterbox of mosque

I’m cringing.

TT
SP My first job was shop [title inc Pi]./ Worked there for a year and was fine. Owned by a P call Jav and it was how we described people then. Not pC now but people were happy with usage then.
NC LN told story c you wanting put bacon sandwich through letterbox of mosque.