NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #47

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025

Oh, I don't know any more. Was it a menopause policy? The phrase I recall was "menstrual privacy stuff". I guess I'm feeling disappointed in, and alienated from, SP because of the racism allegations turning out to be at least somewhat well-founded, and now not sure what to think. She's still entitled to a sscr of course.

They package up all the evidence put it in a sensible order and tell the judge all that orally, rather than sending him it in writing.

But what would have been so wrong about that anyway ? If she wanted to address it with him why wait ?

fucking hell

@Veryweirdsadtimes would you consider approaching Sex Matters with this story?

Wait ... what?

They actually finished before 4pm? Good job I didn't have a bet on it, I'd have lost.

I don't care if Sandie or any other woman has a bloody great big swastika tattooed on her forehead. She's still entitled to a single sex changing room at work.

Why have you stuck your middle finger up at the PP?? 😳

Been out so catching up. What happened to the other witnesses? I thought someone from Sex Matters was going to appear?

This ⬆️

I am pointing upwards in agreement. Have I used the wrong emoji?

We're in the pub. Cheers! 🍻

Are you Scottish? You're not funding this unless you are.

You really are being unpleasantly obsessive about this. Thankfully the British justice system isn't organised around giving people justice depending on their overall moral purity,otherwise no-one would ever get it. If she wins, Sandie's compensation will depend on the degree of detriment the tribunal panel decide she has suffered, not on her political or any other views and opinions.

I highly doubt JR actually thinks SP was the person who came up with the 1984 analogy. It’s just posturing so she can clutch her pearls over it again.

SOAS rebranded itself to simply SOAS to drop/distance itself from the oriental term a few years ago

I thought that might be what you meant but when I zoomed in it looked more like a middle finger!

she did, via live link.

I'm guessing that's the end of remote viewing though. September is just for legal stuff right?

Aren’t we missing a witness?

What developed overnight?

JR not flying until Thursday so will she be out on the lash in the Club Bar? Giving it laldy on Union St?

I haven't seen anyone claim that they are holier than everyone else.

But now you ask...I have managed not to be a racist like SP and I will not join in with the attempts to minimise her racism.

I still think SP is entitled to sss though.

I think NC called SP to clarify who else objected to DU in the changing room and to reduce the effect of the racist jokes. NC really had to show it was a usual pattern of speaking for SP and not that she intended racism. Not sure how successful that has been.

I think whoever else was in the chat and wanted to give evidence may have withdrawn after seeing how LN’s words were thrown back in her face.

It's fine to be disappointed.

Meanwhile, Sandie was of an age where menstrual flooding is a common experience, to the extent that its realistic any woman might think about it happening in work. She also had a male colleague whom she knew had been told he could use the womens.

Legal stuff in person is still held in public.

Oh, I picked the wrong one! I will use the upward arrow from now on just to be sure - this is the one I meant to use 👆

Yeah this holier than thou attitude never ends well.