"Biological sex is a multidimensional variable with various components" - Discuss

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To save further derailment of the Sandie Peggie tribunal threads with people debating Tandora's statements on the above theme, I've started this thread to point them to instead.

Sex is binary. Everyone is male or female, and for almost everyone it is bloomin' obvious which. Those people who have deliberately hidden their sex with cosmetic surgeries and hormones and adopting regressive sex-based stereotypes that used to be associated with the opposite sex, might confuse some people.

Disorders of Sexual Development exist, but it is deeply transphobic to bring them up in the context of trans issues, as it implies being trans should be medically gatekept.

That is EVERYTHING that anyone needs to know unless they have or are tresting those with DSDs.

This is interesting, just seen on Twitter

https://x.com/genderreceipts/status/1947968392918446406?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

You are here, as you have always been, with the stated agenda that whatever female people need to deal with reality of being female, or simply want to fully live their lives, is of secondary importance to widening the social understanding of "womanhood" to include the male-bodied for reasons you acknowledge you do not understand and cannot explain.

This damascene conversion to champion of the DSD and disclosure of the unspecified "research" in "this field" which has turned up in the last thread or so is just your latest tactic in your attempt to delegitimise recognition of the simple fact that half the population are unequivocally female, and that as long as this has consequences for us physically or socially, the fact of being female will matter enough to name it, speak about it and potentially legislate to support it.

You believe it's important for society to recognise trans women are "women" and in order to do that you are happy to remove the language that would allow a female person such as me to speak clearly about what it is to be me.

You believe society has no need to even recognise us as people with a common experience and need, let alone support us in our struggle to escape the social legacy of our bodies.

Women's clear knowledge, from our own experiences, from each others' stories and from the evidence written in our history that our bodies carries consequences that trans women will never experience is of no interest to you.

You think this marginalisation of the embodied female voice and embodied female voice existence is not a problem and I should just accept it because I can still "define myself however I want".

After all, all you want to take from me is the ability to connect that definition to other human beings, to be recognised as a meaningful group within humanity, and why would I want someting as trivial as that?

This was actually typed onto an nhs website!!!

intersex:

This is a gender identity.
This means someone who was born with male and female sexual organs.
This can mean internal organs - such as chromosomes or ovaries.
This can mean external organs - such as genitals.
This can mean both internal and external organs.
Being intersex has nothing to do with who you find attractive.
You can be intersex and straight (attracted to the same gender), or gay, or lesbian,

Apart from the total fudge of all of the above; since when was a chromosome an internal organ?

I'm dyslexic as well.

I've never had any problems reading, writing or spelling. I was pretty much yer classic bookworm and used to write multi page essays long hand. Got great academic results all the way through.

Nevertheless, I have a very strong understanding of myself as dyslexic. It is a thing I just know to be true about myself.

I can't explain it, nor do I expect you to understand it, but nevertheless, I am as sure I am dyslexic as you are sure you are, and just because science can't yet explain why I feel like this, that does not mean it's not true and does not mean it's not every bit as relevant to my life of ease in reading and writing as your dyslexia is to your life.

I look forward to adding my informed perspective as a dyslexic to your specific and personal view.

jfc I thought the hemaphodite 'born woth both male and female organs' had been left in the 80s!

They are mutaulalu exclusive pathways, you only getbone prohengotor and it can turn into wither testes or ovo tissue, not both!

This is what happens when you let the DEI people which their qualifications update the NHS website.

It was only changed because someone on Twitter pointed it out!

People with trans identities are either male or female, not a unique and special category that defies the general rule.

Not only do they "not menstruate" but they strangely seem to go through male puberty instead. Funny that!

If the reality and universality of biological sex is really making you ill......are you not a little bit concerned? It seems a rather unhealthy response to an inevitable fact of life on earth.

Surely they are basically malfunctioning males.

A woman is not a malfunctioning male.

However, if their endocrine system causes them to appear more like a woman post puberty, I can understand why "living as a woman" might make their lives easier on a practical level.

So even Rachel Levine, a prominent trans woman in a position of power, can't make this one fly.

Christ the facetiousness is off the scale

That's really hurtful.

Yet some posters on this thread continue to insist on calling them maleregardless of the actual person because of their own dogmatic quasi religious ideologies, it’s actually making me ill the extent to which some people think they have the right to impose labels and judgements on other people’s body and personhood.

It is irrelevant how you feel or what identity or ‘personhood’ someone may feel they have, sex does not rely on any of these things and is not influenced by them. What personhood or identity do you think male and female cannabis plants have?

All the NHS staff with actual medical knowledge are too busy saving lives to read what is on NHS websites, much less write it. So we are relying on people with English degrees to get it right.

Can we have definitive list of conditions people are allowed to self ID as having please? Obviously @FlirtsWithRhinos dyslexic self ID has grave and far reach consequences that go way beyond those of say a man self IDing into womens sport and causing a serious injury.

Don't worry I already identify as a sarcastic pain in the butt so you don't have to get your facetiousness scanner out.

NHS pages concerning medical conditions and offering advise about them absolutely must be written by medical staff not English graduates!

Have a little sob, I'm on hand to walk you to your car if you are feeling 'unsafe'.

😂😂😂 (can't help laughing when a simple analogy reveals how utterly ridiculous is the idealogy and still they fail to see it)

I can't explain anything about that assertion because I don't believe it is true.

Trans woman does not erase or redefine the word woman. The trans pre fix clearly sets them apart from biological women. The existence of a trans woman does not redefine or diminish your womanhood in any way, your womanhood is personal to you, no one can change it, steal it, whatever else you claim trans people are doing to it.

Trans woman does attempt to redefine what a woman is, by suggesting that there is another category of woman, a subset, that is male. No man is in any way a woman, whatever prefix he chooses.

No but they can break your neck playing rugby if a tiny bit of sense hadn't crept in and realised that men can't be women so they don't belong in women's sport.

It also redefines woman by let men into womens spaces. If some men can come in it's not a women's space.

So you are in gender studies?