Reddit Trans Drama

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Not sure if this was discussed at the time but I just read a summary of last month's falling out on r/trans.

A transman posted about the issues facing ftm people and in particular sexual assault. The post was removed by a mtf mod and the OP was told they were being divisive and another mtf mod told the OP to "stop bitching".

I know it's only petty reddit drama but I find it very telling that men who claim to be women and have special woman brains still manage to act like very male misogynists who work together to silence women.

I always get the impression that women (including trans identified women) are only on worth to trans identified men depending on their usefulness to them. FTM's and gender confused kids help provide a kind of smokescreen and narrative that being born in the wrong body is just something that happens to some poor people and its definitely not a fetish. Same with women in general, we are all fine and good as long as we are sitting on the side cheering the stunning and the brave on but as soon as we complain or fight back and stick up for ourselves we are witches, old crones nobody loves, essentially shut up woman and stop bitching. Its always about the men, even when they wear a dress and pretend to be women.

It's the power dynamic. Men have more power, so it's seen as demeaning for a man to pretend to be a woman. He's surrendering his power, which is seen as weak.

A woman pretending to be a man is 'punching up', it doesn't threaten the status quo.

Hence (actual) transphobia, and hence sissy submission fantasies, which play on the shame to fuel sexual fantasy/fetish.

There's also a fair whack of homophobia mixed in, too. Male homosexuality has long been more persecuted than lesbianism, which has generally been ignored (was never illegal, for example, whereas 'sodomy' was for a very long time). (Just looked it up - the Buggery Act was passed in 1533).

i don't know why my post was deleted - i need to check with MN. Anyone have the address i need to write to

You can just report your own post and ask.

i can't report the deleted post, or do you mean any of my posts?

Addendum: 'Prior to the 1550s, the term "Buggery" was not used in a homosexual sense, rather related to any sexual activity not related to procreation, regardless of sex or species involved in the sexual act, and also covered sexual crimes of a non-consensual nature.'

Even so, male homosexual acts were heavily punished, including by execution.

Yes, any post. This thread may make it easier for them to see what the deleted one was? Not sure.

thanks - i wrote.

I think i know what i wrote, and if it got deleted for mentioning people dressing in the clothes usually associated with the opposite sex i am going to Be Very Bloody Cross Indeed.

I saw nothing wrong with it at all. What I did see is that had been up there for mere minutes before disappearing in puff of smoke. There are a lot of similar inflammatory threads lately - like the one about t-shirt slogans - appearing in a spate and all are taking a similar turn and tone. The speed at which posts are disappearing is telling.

I find it interesting that the alphabet soup is now eating itself, although TBF it was never shy of doing so when someone wasn't toeing the party line. Lesbians have been fair game for years now, but not usually other trans people: excepting old school transsexuals who wanted no part of their aggression. It was very predicable which category of trans person they would turn on first. Strange how they always know what a woman is when it comes to where to direct the insults and discrimination.

Another aspect of DARVO from within this movement is that TRAs are constantly accusing GC women of accusing all trans women of being a potential threat, calling all trans women sex offenders and perverts. Distinguishing between fetishists and young people with dysphoria is deemed 'transphobic' - no such distinction is permitted; trans people 'are who they say they are'. We're all bigots for allegedly seeing them all as one and the same - and also bigots, when it suits them, for acknowledging that there are individuals and distinct categories existing under the 'umbrella' and some such categories are staging a relentless tirade against women. Heads, I win, heads, you lose. Clever of them. Except now the masks have come off, and people are more and more seeing these disingenous tactics for exactly what they are.

Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate.

Yes.

Isn't that how all this started?
Women being kind.....

shoutout to MN for restoring my post. I was very careful when writing it not to insult people.

Excellent!

As if there haven't been enough stories about these fetishists attacking women and pretending to be women when they are accused of rape or sexual assault.

Just for the record, 'crossdresser' is a still a term used by the UK government to designate someone without a GRC (and presumably with no intentions of getting one) who still wants to change the gender marker on their passport. In no way can it be seen as a slur in and of itself. In fact it would not only be dysfunctional to ban the term outright, but probably also transphobic.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition/gender-recognition-accessible

Indeed. You can get a “female” British passport without any medical involvement with just a declaration if you’re a “cross dresser”

You said FTM? So that is women saying they are men, not men saying they are women

The misogyny continues. I really wish I could say something more meaningful, but that is it, at least as far as I can see. I am sure there is a whole other level of intellectualism that someone else could apply to it, but that is what I observe.

The internalised misogny in that post is clear. Words like "inferior" and "stunted" to refer to their female biology.

I also felt like this in my teens and early 20's. I would have loved to have been a strong as a man, as that what I thought you had to do to get respect. When I realsied it was mostly fear, then it all made sense.

I wonder what the threshold will be for medical ham for these women who transistioned during adolescence.

There is a youtube video where a Transwoman actually says to another TW "You do not interrupt a black transwoman when they are speaking".

This whole reddit drama is unsurprising.

I spent about 6 months on there, and there are some respectful and helpful communities.

It was so obvious that the mods are mainly emotionally immature men or pick-me women. I could say or agree with pretty outrageous things when they thought I was male, but posts were removed and I was barred for saying moderate things as a female.

It would however be a very useful place to do research on the application of trans-ideoglogy in society.

I’m surprised the monitors haven’t despatched a transman yet to tell us how wrong we are.

this was what was deleted? Good lord.

I am going to refer purely to sex for clarity.

A female person made a post about some problems including sexual assault, the post was taken down by some male people who told her she was being divisive and should stop bitching.

Once you take out the "gender" stuff the dynamics are exactly the same as they are in pretty much every other time and place in the history of the world.

It is sad because the women often want to opt out of femaleness because they feel vulnerable, have been assaulted, subject to misogyny, etc and think this is the way to do it. But if anything it makes the misogyny worse and they are silenced more.

Omg. It’s all so toxic and it’s about time people stopped lying to themselves and others. You cannot change sex.

Really?