Trans man denied Gender Recognition Certificate over attempt to conceive

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A trans man has been denied legal recognition of his gender by the Gender Recognition Panel (GRP) after it ruled that his attempt to conceive a child meant he was not “living as a man”. The decision has sparked outrage among human rights advocates and legal experts, who argue it breaches both domestic and international human rights law.

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This.

Exactly.

Transmen are women, and as such as disproportionately shat on by society, because of their female sex

I don't think anyone should get a GRC, but as long as they do exist, as a feminist I am not going to celebrate a woman being denied one due to sexism.

Yes.

Let's be honest: the core belief is: I will tell everyone what I want (today) and everyone will rush to give it to me, sacrificing everyone else to me in the process.

This proves, like letting men into women's spaces with naive kindness, that you cannot indulge this stuff, it is never really sincere or coherent or what it looks like, and will always just be the next step along the way to breaking everything since it's all about boundary pushing, and usually to meet significant issues and needs.

Time to just say no.

Freddie McConnell apparently made an appointment at a fertility clinic the week after they made their GRC declaration. And has since had two children. Nothing says “I am a man” like two post GRC pregnancies.

Excellent news. Only women conceive babies. How can you 'live as a man' and conceive a child? Time to call out this rubbish.

And nothing says attention seeking more than posing for a photo on a beach with said bump and said chopped off breasts and then having this photo over the front of the Guardian magazine who are falling over themselves to write about a pregnant man.

Define as a woman? Easy, well, not easy it turns out.

people make comments about your appearance on the street

You plan how to get home safely after a night out

you get pregnant

if you get pregnant you lose out on promotion, pension and respect

even if you don’t get pregnant you will lose out on promotion, pension and respect compared to male colleagues

many women have a life time of pain and discomfort due to their female bodies, menstruation, endometriosis, pregnancy issue, prolapse, menopause, osteoporosis

you are more likely than a man to be beaten up or murdered by a partner

Honestly, makes you wonder why trans identifying men go to all the bother, surely it can’t just be the nicer underwear and cleaner toilets?

They think they make better women. They put more effort in for starters. But also they don't have the "yucky" bits of being a woman. They are pretty open about this.

You said it much clearer!

Thankyou.

When reading your post it reminded me of the higher bar for women having sterilisation. Because we don’t know our minds 🙄

With this in mind if this misogyny were applied equally this ruling would bar all women of pre- child bearing age entirely from GRC.

Sorry my post above was in reply to this. It’s Friday and my brain is winding down for the weekend.

As an aside do we know the breakdown by sex of GRC applicants? I had always assumed the old school transexuals were all male apart from Stephen Whittle but judging from threads on Reddit female transexuals are 1) Obsessed with 'passing' 2) Very keen to get a GRC as confirmation that are now truly male.

The female contingent skew a lot younger so might still be a minority of GRC applicants.

But they are fixated on passing and it's almost sweet to see them try to be male and just prove how female they are.

The other thing I get from the Reddit threads is that they're always calling each other 'dude' and 'bro', which explains why they're so angry about the Supreme Court turning their excellent adventure into a bogus journey.

Heh, very good! 😁

Nobody is celebrating.

Its just rubbish to say it is sexist.

It is about the actual premise of a GRC being implemented.

For all any of us know men who want to become a legal woman have been denied.

There is no statistical reporting on this.

Although I suspect women are more likely to be honest, ie yes i still want to have a baby.

And less likely that a man is going to say I want to keep my penis because i want to go on using it to fuck people.

I would be more useful to this thread to think of ways that both men and women saying for the sake of their mental health they want to transition how to make proof of this more strict.

Honestly. Your are flogging a dead horse.

In this istance it was about having a baby, but could be other.

The point of this thread is about the fact that it does appear that on occasions those issuing GRC are actually engaging their brains.

We just need to make sure they do that and aren't undermined by law suits, or worse Labour trying to water down the benchmark.

Funnily enough, although it might be thought not necessary to say this on a feminist forum, but women are more than their reproductive functions.

Excellent decision

It’s due to biological reality. Much the same as trans women should be denied GRC if they’re convicted of rape.

Last year, of the 1169 GRC issued, 55% were issued to men, 45% to women. In the first year in was 77% men.

68% were 34 and younger, including 24% born 2000 and after.

Unfortunately, they dont issue figures by age and sex. I tried, but they werent having it!

But it's not much of a stretch to assume that the younger cohort is predominately female.

"his attempt to conceive a child"

What more can be said..

The whole 'living as a man/woman' thing was always stupid, but it's a trans idea that you can so we are correct to insist on it to get a GRA.

After all the GRA is just a piece of paper that says "I plan to pretend to be the other sex from now on" so the least we can expect is that they do.

If they don't take it seriously that makes it harder for other people trying to pretend to be the other sex.

"The decision is ultimately sexist because it has a bigger impact on trans identifying females"

So it's harder for a woman who wants to carry a child to pretend to be a man than it is for a man to pretend to be a woman.

I'm not sure that's even true as if he fathers a child that will be a dead giveaway that he is a man. Everyone who was totally fooled before will now know.

But yes he could lie about it more easily.

if however he says to the GRA people "I'm planning to father a child!" he should be refused too for the same reason.

Regardless, we didn't create that situation, reality did.

And of course if a woman really had Gender dysphoria she would be repelled by the thought of getting pregnant and vice versa. So good news! She is cured.

Well yeah, their idea, their rules, the panel is quite entitled to take the view that an applicant is just taking the piss.

Im guessing so.

I know theres a few older women transitioning, but not many. Its mainly young women - those who have been taught gender at school are now reaching adulthood.