We thought Owen Jones couldn’t get more odious.. He has proved us wrong!

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‘[Owen] seems to be upset because she had a chuckle about his erratic behaviour on Piers Morgan Uncensored last week. In response to an X user who wondered if Jones might have partaken of the white stuff before fidgeting and gurning his way through Morgan’s show, Rowling tweeted: “Well, he is known as Talcum X.”

Jones is hopping mad. He’s even written a 1,300-word screed on what a rotter Rowling is, which I’m sure we can all agree is a perfectly normal response to a woman making a joke.’

😂😂 and also 🤮🤢

But KJK hosting a let women speak event about the plights of women who are oppressed by wearing variations of the veil in certain muslim countries and she is accused of 'white saviour complex'.

Women really can never things right, now can we?

Women really can never things right, now can we?

A woman's place is in the wrong. Always.

Yep. You have summed up the caring, kind left.... they are far from caring and kind... the most spiteful people you will ever meet.

😂 GRBS (sounds like GRUBS) I think suits them very well ..

It’s a classic case of shifting the goalposts to ensure that the other person feels that they can’t win. If JK obeyed OJ’s edict and ended her silence on this issue, he’d soon pounce on something else and demand she speak out on that too. And so on, ad nauseam.

This seems like a pretty childish and / or abusive tactic to me.

There's a weird chemical thing where stimulants actually have the opposite effect on ADHD. So you hear of ADHD sufferers "self medicating" with cocaine to calm them down and the actual drugs prescribed for ADHD are counter intuitive
But self medicating is still a very bad idea. Especially if you think you might have ADHD so decode to self treat
But amphetamines for ADHD are a thing real doctors prescribe

Turns out then, in which case, perhaps his alleged self diagnosis / on line private doctor diagnosis is incorrect.. Shocked.

But if amphetamines have the effect of calming the symptoms of ADHD, why was LOJ more wired than a Mexican Jumping Bean on a live railway line?

He does think women are useful sometimes. We Are importsnt sometimes. Silence would still help of course. Women are useful to Owen Jones when we have eggs to give him or his friends to make children. Ahh.

Quite.

Let me clarify, my post wasn’t a critique of mainstream media’s failure to report global atrocities, it was a challenge to the 'performative outrage brigade', why don’t they protest every injustice? Why is outrage so selectively reserved when Jews are involved?

Gaza is a war zone. Civilian deaths, especially among women and children, are a tragic feature of war, not a novelty. This war erupted because of Hamas’s actions on October 7th, Israel is fighting for survival and trying to rescue those taken hostage.

Yes, Hamas claims 50,000 deaths, but Hamas isn’t a reliable source. Even if the figure is accurate, that’s 2.5% of Gaza’s population, hardly the textbook definition of genocide, about 97% short in fact. If Israel is a developed nation, if its aim were extermination, Gaza would be a crater by now.

Israel has taken considerable measures to reduce civilian casualties, that’s why the toll isn’t higher. If Israel fought with the same disregard for life as Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Houthis, the devastation would be catastrophic.

Israel is a democracy. I support my government's backing of Israel. I don’t support terrorist organizations, and I certainly don’t support those who blindly do.

You can keep repeating the word " genocide" and it still doesn't make it true.

What is true is that the stated aim of Hamas in its founding charter is literally the systemic destruction of jews and the state of Israel ( the actual definition of genocide).

The Left joined forces with the Pan Arab nationalsts ( the baathists and the PLO) in the 1960s and 70s - with the aim of furtherng the goals of International Socialism and the collapse of western capitalism and imperialism.

This is still why the Left centres Israel at the heart of all of its critique of the West. Israel is seen seen as an "oppressor" and a friend of The U.S.A, which they also hate and always have hated. Committed to the fall of what they see as Imperialism......and the ridiculous irony of that is that they have now joined forces with Islamist fundamentalists, terrorists and others who have their own agenda to destroy the West from within. Useful fools!

The Left sees women's rights as culturally relative and optional. They think that imposing western concepts of women's rights onto arab countries is colonialist ideology. They also support trans ideology...which completely erases women as a distinct category of human with its own distinct protections, too.

Has he mentioned that Hamas can end it any time they like by simply opening the door and letting the hostages go?

If not that's a pretty big omission and of course the first ever voluntary genocide.

I'm quite sure that Israel would stop the fighting then, but even if you are not you must realise that every country supporting Israel wants it to end and would insist on it. There would also be a huge rush of aid and help to rebuild.

Hamas haven't because they have plenty of human shields and because dead Palestinians help recruit supporters in the west who would normally be reluctant to stand side by side with rapists and murderers.

Why Palestinians haven't dragged out Hamas and handed them over is a mystery still.

Why anyone is listening to Owen who wants us to support the Oct 7 murderers is another mystery.

It’s really not hard - Hamas atrocities - including murder of civilians and rape as well as Israelis atrocities against Palestinians - including murder of civilians and rape - are both to be condemned. If one is being given more condemnation than the other right now it’s because for the last 18 months the atrocities are nearly all from the one side and the thousands of children dying are all from one side. And, I don’t know, perhaps most people expect a democratic government and one of the world’s most technologically advanced militaries to do a slightly better job at not killing innocent kids than a terrorist organisation. While the sad reality is they are killing many many multiples more than said terror organisation, because they don’t give a shit and Palestinians as less than human.

The Left sees women's rights as culturally relative and optional. They think that imposing western concepts of women's rights onto arab countries is colonialist ideology.

Absolutely.

See also: the failure to stop child rape gangs in the UK.

From reading around the history of women's suffrage campaigns in the UK, I'd say the left also sees women's rights as very much secondary to the class struggle. I've always got the impression that women's issues will only be considered once socialism has prevailed

Richard Sanders investigated and found no forensic, visual or photographic evidence of the rapes and at the time of his report no witnesses except a known radical Israeli group who have spread misinformation. Now almost 20 months later witnesses have come forward to testify via the Dinah project and BBC. The information is out there. Learn and educate yourself and the full facts instead of cherry picking the information that suits your agenda. Genocide historian/scholars have called it a Genocide, Francesca Albanese has called it a genocide. I can’t respect JKR as Owen Jones’s is right. Instead of talking about the genocide and the number of children killed she chose to make a joke. I’m a woman so I’m allowed to criticise right?

I had never heard of little OJ before this thread and now I know he is just another grub who likes to insist on telling women what they should think, say and do. A typical mansplainer.

And if we don’t do what he says then we will be called racist transphobic bigots. The joys of white, middle class, left wing privilege - OJ, BG, JM. Like a lot of celebrities, looking down on us peasants from their media towers/keyboards not understanding why we no longer follow their orders.

"While the sad reality is they are killing many many multiples more than said terror organisation, because they don’t give a shit and Palestinians as less than human."

What about the Palestinians that Hamas kill, Israel gave notice when it was moving into an area, it warn people to get out of the way, it was Hamas who killed the people who tried to leave.

It was Hamas who killed 12 aid workers at a food station recently, because Hamas want to control the distribution of food so they can keep the people of Gaza under their thumb.

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Civilian deaths, especially among women and children, are a tragic feature of war, not a novelty

Wars have rules, which Israel has consistently chosen to disregard. These rules include not starving the civilian population. These rules include the principle of proportionality. When the IDF murders two dozen civilians, including children, drinking tea in a cafe so that it can get to one enemy combatant it ignores these rules. Both sides are culpable of multiple war crimes, Israel’s near daily.

That was a lot of words when

“WHABOUTERY” would have done.

He does not refer to other places women are oppressed because he cares about this woman. He just wants people to remain silent on the other topics he mentions.

Another atrocity that Hamas has in common with the IDF - rape of prisoners.

news.sky.com/story/video-appears-to-show-idf-soldiers-sexually-abusing-palestinian-detainee-13193857

“every manner of people are speaking out against what many organisations including the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights International are now clearly signposting as genocide”

I read this and felt another wave of frustration. One of the most difficult problems I have because I don’t believe that men are women is that so many of the international supposed human rights organizations are pushing the lie that they are, at the expense of women’s rights.

While I once would have believed these organisations as well as the BBC, it has become increasingly obvious that these groups are following a political agenda and cannot be considered impartial.

So when it comes to a question of who is wrong and who is right between Israel and Gaza, the reality is that I do not have a single source that I can trust to be representing truth, rather than propaganda.

So I am left in a position where all I can say is that war is wrong, those who perpetrate suffering are at fault, and I have sympathy for all innocent people caught up in it. It amazes me that so many people that I know don’t know any more than me are so confident that they would support one side to the point of broadcasting their opinion and judging others who fail to do so.

I feel there is only shifting sand under my feet and I don’t like it. I much preferred the confidence I felt in earlier years, but there it is.

The Left sees women's rights as culturally relative and optional. They think that imposing western concepts of women's rights onto arab countries is colonialist ideology.

Or maybe any foreign “imposing” of anything is always reprehensible. If your starting position is to “impose western concepts of women’s rights on Arab countries” then yes you ARE a coloniser and yes that is always a bad thing (how many uprisings and wars of independence does it take for Western commentors to understand that)?

What western commentators should strive to do is work WITH women’s rights organisations in those areas, as allies and supporters. Not conquerors.

Understand what they need and provide that instead of dictating to them what the correct model is.

It was very funny - the universal signal for “it’s blindingly obvious you’re off your tits mate, calm it down”.