We thought Owen Jones couldn’t get more odious.. He has proved us wrong!

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‘[Owen] seems to be upset because she had a chuckle about his erratic behaviour on Piers Morgan Uncensored last week. In response to an X user who wondered if Jones might have partaken of the white stuff before fidgeting and gurning his way through Morgan’s show, Rowling tweeted: “Well, he is known as Talcum X.”

Jones is hopping mad. He’s even written a 1,300-word screed on what a rotter Rowling is, which I’m sure we can all agree is a perfectly normal response to a woman making a joke.’

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Not all antisemites are lefties.
And FWIW, old antisemitic tropes come up over and over again in criticism of Israel.

So if copilot is to be believed
JKR ..has also previously criticized the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians.

So that's that. She has done so. Next pretext?

Absolutely. What are your views on the Rohingya's displacement? Why haven't you mentioned them?

You see, even if I feel strongly about an issue I'm extremely wary about joining a team. Because that usually means you're supposed to surrender your critical thinking skills for the greater good of The Cause.

I was unfortunate enough to catch a part of the demo on Edgware Road on the night of October 7th. It wasn't a solemn response to Israeli atrocities - the retaliation hadn't started yet. It was overwhelmingly a bunch of young Muslims partying as if their team had won the World Cup.

Then there was the period where people were openly adopting the Hamas paraglider iconography. And OJ's YouTube extravaganza where he was poring through the 10/7 footage to declare that he, OJ, saw no evidence of rape.

And if you've been to enough Palestine activities over the years, that thrum of antisemitism just below the surface or not even below it - either you train yourself not to see it, or once you've seen it you can't unsee it.

None of which is saying I'm an advocate for Israel. Israel can advocate for itself. It's just me saying that Owen Jones, Jeremy Corbyn, Andrew Feinstein, Tariq Ali etc are not my team.

OJ would love to have JKR on his team, and clearly he's infuriated by a woman not complying.

So much to think about in your reasoned and logical post. Sadly, I’ve got a toilet that needs unblocking!

Come, now. She hasn't done it at the time and place of Owen Jones' choosing. It's obvious insubordination.

And they make the true ADHD sufferer calm down and focus due to the dopamine uptake they cause. Not jabber around like an Easter bunny on acid.

So just now in the original post I was responding to it was “lefties”, now it’s moved onto “antisemitism”.

So now we’re back in “all criticism of the Israeli government and its mass murder of tens of thousands (including many thousands of children) is because of antisemitism” territory. Gotcha.

A two line tweet of condemnation takes twenty seconds, not twenty hours.

Yup, then we can tick the box to say we've signalled our virtue and everyone will be able to see we are a Good Person with Correct Views.

You can tweet about whatever issue you want - or not. I don’t give a shit. But rather people giving their views on social/political matters than taking the piss out of a man displaying an unpleasant reaction to his medication.

When, to give just one example, we live in a world where we see HD images of neonatal babies being deprived of formula intentionally and starving to death, yet think it has nothing to do with us and that it is patronising for people to think we should care, honestly I despair. As a mother and yes, human being.

I guess we should just wait for the next conflict affecting white Europeans, like Ukraine, when the then UK government took the unprecedented move of fast tracking visas for displaced civilians amongst other actions and many in the public domain spoke out in solidarity and were praised for doing so.

Then we can bring out our outrage and empathy again and that won't be patronising right, because they look and sound like us.

And her & many prominent GCs mock pro Palestine activists, ie people with hearts who cannot stomach to watch a live streamed genocide.

some of those activists have seen the films of 7th October and denied there is evidence of rape. Many of the people demonstrating for Hamas would last 20 seconds under Hamas "rule" in Gaza. On the other side the settlers really really provoke something like hate in me, i have a physical reaction when i see some of them interviewed. And shooting rockets at hospitals is state sanctioned murder.

It is way way more nuanced than that. I don't trust either side in the Gaza conflict to be able to make an adult compromise, though. So it is a waste of my breath. They don'T want to find a compromise they can both live with, each prefers the annihilation of the other, it isn't a belief, it is their raison d'etre. Literally. So how can we "pick a side" or whatever? i am always on the side of the oppressed women and children who always suffer in war.

Eówyn was right, and this applies to all women in conflict zones “The women of this country learned long ago, those without swords can still die upon them.”

i have a question for the "if you don'T say anything you obviously don'T care" brigade here.

Why the fuck do you think that just because i am not constantly tweeting* about how awful the attacks in Gaza are, i don't care? Just stop it. It is more nuanced than that.

*Other social media platforms are available

Are you trying to argue against my point or back it up?

The BBC overlooks all of the atrocities you mention, and its pro Israel bias means it refers to Hamas as being genocidal but not Israel’s continued assault on civilian life and infrastructure.

The reason we should all care about what is happening in Gaza is that through our taxes we are funding Israel, arming Israel, and our armed forces are actively assisting.

I am pretty sure Talcum X is Shaun King not Owen Jones?

It doesn’t even make sense in the context of Jones.

That isn't what I said AT ALL.

In fact, if you had read my post upthread I actually said that one of the things that has fed into the monstering of Israel was, er, some stupid and unpleasant things done by the Israeli government (into which anyone intelligent would fold some of the actions undertaken by the IDF, since it overseen by the Israeli government).

It is eminently possible to criticise Israel without being an anti-semite. Literally a week ago I was criticising the Israeli government to a Jewish friend - he did not accuse me of being an antisemite, in fact, he agreed (and he's not one of the Noam Chomsky persuasion, he's fairly middle-of the-road North London Orthodox).

But SOME criticism of Israel is definitely motivated by antisemitism - the old tropes about Jewish conspiracies and the blood libel come around and around.

So maybe you'd like to retract your 'Gotcha'?

“What was Hammas supposed to do on October 7th”. This is a direct quote from this interview from Jones. Well not illegally enter their neighbours country and massacre innocent people would have been any normal persons answer to that. Whether he has ADHD or not, whether he was coked up to the gills or not that was his statement. The women of Palestine have been under the patriarchal boot of Islam throughout all this. I don’t blame Israel for their plight I blame their terrorist masters who keep them subjugated. Free Palestinian women from a hate filled murderous ideology please.

I just watched the video again and I noticed Morgan brushed his nose just as he asked Jones if he was all right.

Then we can bring out our outrage and empathy again and that won't be patronising right, because they look and sound like us.

@GirlMama21 And Afghani women - the example I gave - are white Europeans who "look and sound like us", right?

Take your patronising "as a mother" bullshit elsewhere.

I saw that. It could only have been funnier if he'd been tapping a mirror with a rolled up tenner as he did it

But, he went to Oxford...

Shopping trip I believe.

What a bizarre post. Maybe, just maybe, JK Rowling knows that a complex decades-long conflict thousands of miles away, in an area of the world she has no ties to, does not need her attention or comments.

Do you also get annoyed that random famous person X has not enlightened us with their thoughts on the North Korean government or the civil war in Sudan? Maybe you should ‘call them out’ as well.

Bur of course we all know Israel and Palestine is just ‘different’. But you can’t quite articulate why - that would require saying the quiet bit out loud.

I'm so naive.

I always assumed he got called TalcumX because he's a soft, fragent, white product for the consumerist market who imagines his typing at a keyboard about other people's fights and sometimes having people disagree with him in public makes him an in-it-for-real revolutionary.

That other types of white powder may be available totally passed me by.

(I still prefer my version though)

I don't always agree with JK Rowling but Talcolm X has made my day

I once made a very mild, critical observation about OJ and my comment was instantly removed. I can't say that I was surprised - he clearly can't take any sort of censure, even when it's framed courteously and rationally (or perhaps the issue was that it was a woman being rational!).