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Girls Using Walking Sticks

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Arran2024 · 08/07/2025 18:57

I saw a post about this on X this morning. Apparently it is a trend.

Anyway, I went into town this afternoon and sure enough, I saw a number of young women with walking sticks. None of them looked like they were leaning hard on their stick, just kind of walking along like it was a big umbrella.

Is anyone else seeing this?

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AmateurNoun · 11/07/2025 08:54

CassandraWebb · 11/07/2025 08:47

Off the top of my head though

  • my cousin dresses like that and is under 30 and has had crippling arthritis since her teens. She doesn't use walking aids normally but if it is very bad has a wheelchair
  • someone I know through work dresses like that (although slightly older than 30) and has had multiple hip surgeries. She uses crutches when recovering from the surgeries.

So I am not saying there isn't a pattern. But it could also be at least in part that people who spend chunks of life isolated and at home due to pain make different decisions about their dress choices and hair choices.

Anyway,! I better go and login and work

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Yes I would still give up my seat to someone dressed like this on the bus because you cannot tell in any particular case, but I see so many young women like this that I highly doubt they are all genuinely disabled.

Everlore · 11/07/2025 08:59

Didn't young men about town regularly include a fancy walking stick or cane as part of their smart ensemble about a hundred years ago, usually paired with a top hat? Pretty sure they weren't trying to 'pretend' to be disabled.

YouHaveAnArse · 11/07/2025 08:59

RoyalCorgi · 10/07/2025 15:37

I'd have thought that people who were genuinely disabled would be pissed off at at other people appropriating disability. But now apparently if someone says they're disabled, we have to accept that they are disabled, in much the same way that if someone says they are the opposite sex, we have to accept that they are the opposite sex.

All very bizarre. To my mind when you get a large number of people claiming to be disabled when they're not, all that does is make things more difficult for people with genuine disabilities.

Lots of "genuinely disabled" people don't identify as disabled, btw. I don't use the label about myself as mine is a hidden disability and it's easy for me to mask than it might be for others (even if that can wipe me out for days afterwards) so I don't experience the same access/prejudice issues within society as those with visible disabilities.

Signalbox · 11/07/2025 09:02

Everlore · 11/07/2025 08:59

Didn't young men about town regularly include a fancy walking stick or cane as part of their smart ensemble about a hundred years ago, usually paired with a top hat? Pretty sure they weren't trying to 'pretend' to be disabled.

Yes. And I suspect people would have been allowed to observe the trend without being called ableist.

CassandraWebb · 11/07/2025 09:03

YouHaveAnArse · 11/07/2025 08:53

Yes, those were the students who used to drop out because they couldn't balance their work with their disability, or in some cases that disability wasn't even diagnosed and they thought they just weren't trying hard enough.

Yes I gave up a hard fought for career in my twenties because,.without a diagnosis, I couldn't get the accommodations I needed to make it work. I rebuilt my career again and love my new path. But i didn't give up work because I was some how weak in character, I had to give up work because my body was failing me and I didn't know why. Now I look back and all my unexplained health battles are explained so clearly by my diagnosis (and my neurologist agrees) and my ptosis is obvious in all the photos where I was unwell. This is a feminist issue too. Men tend to get diagnosed much faster with Myasthenia than women. Women get it in their late teens to early 30s usually (although many are diagnosed long after onset). Many are first misdiagnosed with ME/CFS

YouHaveAnArse · 11/07/2025 09:09

There was a rower whosw autism was misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder, because people didn't really think women and girls had autism back then, and she was put on medication for it that severely affected her performance as it can slow down your reaction times and metabolism significantly.

Overdiagnosis of BPD in women is common as well.

Absentmindedsmile · 11/07/2025 09:57

Everlore · 11/07/2025 08:59

Didn't young men about town regularly include a fancy walking stick or cane as part of their smart ensemble about a hundred years ago, usually paired with a top hat? Pretty sure they weren't trying to 'pretend' to be disabled.

They didn’t get cash in the bank from the government / tax payer for it, did they.

SilverSnaffles · 11/07/2025 10:15

Our family (myself included) is one of the ‘lucky’ ones to win the genetic lottery that results in comorbid diagnoses of EDS, PoTS, MCAS and ASD. God forbid, one of them is also LGBT and uses a walking stick, as does their partner, who they met through a support group.

To be honest, I am not entirely sure how to take this thread. Many of the early posts were awful, frankly ableist and fed right into the current narrative that is being fuelled by the media against disabled people. Surely any sensible person can see this is being done to ensure the general public are sufficiently outraged, so that they will support drastic reductions and removal of disability benefits. (FWIW, no-one in my family claims benefits, but I have friends who need to and do.)

On the other hand, I have been concerned for years by the seemingly increasing numbers of young people that are illness/disability influencers and seem to live and breathe their disability as their identity and purpose, as that is not our lived experience. Yes, disability is part of who we are and therefore part, but not all, of our identities. We battle every single day just get on with things, get through the day and manage things that other people don’t even have to think about. I will admit to worrying that the exponential increase of this on social media may affect how people like myself and my dc are perceived.

Dd uses a walking stick. She has EDS and PoTS, plus multiple other delightful issues and while she can walk without a stick, she needs it for balance and if she is going to be walking for more than a short period of time. She was bed-bound for a long time, missed most of her secondary school education and in her early twenties is just beginning to get back on track, starting uni next academic year (albeit online, as she is still mostly housebound). Post uni she has chosen a career path she can do whilst working from home. She has to take multiple medications just so she can get out of bed and/or stand long enough to do anything. She is under a lot of specialists (all NHS btw in case we get accused of diagnosis shopping) sees a specialist physiotherapist regularly and has to do daily exercises to try and keep her joints stable and maintain sufficient muscle mass for venous return. Despite a good diet, she is dangerously thin and cannot maintain a healthy weight. She suffers from constant pain, daily dislocations and overwhelming exhaustion. Other than her weight, none of the things she struggles with can be seen or could be guessed.

I suspect, some of the early commenters on the thread would judge her and her partner if they saw them on one of their, very rare, outings. Especially as she is ‘alternative’ in style and as her partner is a part-time wheelchair user and has a walking stick for when they are not using their chair. Neither use a typical NHS type stick, why should they? They are young and if they’re going to have to use one regularly, they would rather it was one they like the look of and suits their style. When dd’s joints are at her worst she has to use specialist crutches that will take her weight without dislocating her shoulders and elbows, again these are not typical NHS crutches and are actually rather snazzy looking, which I suspect may also cause some people to make assumptions about them and her. On the rare occasions they go out together, I suppose some commenters on this thread would just automatically assume they are faking or making a lifestyle choice?

She would find this thread extremely distressing. Using her stick (or her crutches) helps give her confidence that, on the occasions she does go out, she has suitable support and won’t be given grief for needing a seat or to use the disabled toilets. Using these mobility aids has also meant that she is occasionally able to go for short walks locally on her own. She has lost so much and fought so hard over the last decade. Imho, regardless of the motive behind these threads and of the fact that yet-again, MNHQ failed to see and deal with ableism in the same was as it does other nastiness on the boards, the fact is they do cause harm, by adding to the current media feeding-frenzy suggesting all disabled people are lazy wastrels that want life handed to them on a plate, squeezing money out of the system in every way possible as they go.

Yet dd is one of the kindest, most supportive, non-judgemental people I know. I am honestly in awe of her. So many people that have been through what she has would be bitter and angry. I am not even close, as I am regularly frustrated and angry on her behalf and sometimes my own, although I am not as badly affected and was at least able to enjoy a decent number of years of having a relatively normal life before my body gave up.

I am not sure what the answer is. Social media and online support groups are a lifeline for those with disabilities who are housebound or have very limited capability to actively attend activities outside of their home, but disability being ‘promoted’ as a lifestyle choice is obviously never a good thing. Personally, I think it’s fairly easy to tell the difference, but then again, there are always going to be more colourful characters, who maybe are LGBT and/or favour an alternative style of clothing and hair and they should be allowed to express themselves however they damn well like, not just sit at home in shades of grey and brown in order for people to accept that they are genuinely struggling.

Like so many things, sadly, it comes down to the genuine people being inappropriately judged, based on the activity of the few with the boldest profiles or loudest voices.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 11/07/2025 10:16

AmateurNoun · 11/07/2025 08:39

I don't think you can tell by looking.

Although I must admit that there is a certain type who when I see them I am quietly very suspicious of whether they are actually disabled. They are women aged under 30 with an unnatural hair colour/dungarees/bright Snag tights/overweight but not to the extent that one would ordinarily need a stick/with rainbows and other LGBTQ+ accessories like pronoun badges, and who appear to be walking completely normally. I keep my suspicions silent but I am increasingly seeing young women like this especially amongst students or when I go to gigs.

That is absolutely ridiculous, sorry 😂 You get suspicious and judgy if you see someone who's got an "unnatural hair colour" (code for purple/blue hair presumably which is what sets people off on one on here) and dungarees and shock horror overweight?!
All this shit is just conservatism dressed up as concern, isn't it. Be wary of anyone who doesn't fit into what a woman "should"🙄 look like.
First people who are trans, now people who are disabled.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 11/07/2025 10:20

When dd’s joints are at her worst she has to use specialist crutches that will take her weight without dislocating her shoulders and elbows, again these are not typical NHS crutches and are actually rather snazzy looking, which I suspect may also cause some people to make assumptions about them and her. On the rare occasions they go out together, I suppose some commenters on this thread would just automatically assume they are faking or making a lifestyle choice?

That's a really good point, if you need a stick, why does it have to be boring and conforming, I definitely can see the want for a snazzier one! To be more "you."
I think I'd go for a purple one with maybe some silver bits in.

CassandraWebb · 11/07/2025 10:21

SilverSnaffles · 11/07/2025 10:15

Our family (myself included) is one of the ‘lucky’ ones to win the genetic lottery that results in comorbid diagnoses of EDS, PoTS, MCAS and ASD. God forbid, one of them is also LGBT and uses a walking stick, as does their partner, who they met through a support group.

To be honest, I am not entirely sure how to take this thread. Many of the early posts were awful, frankly ableist and fed right into the current narrative that is being fuelled by the media against disabled people. Surely any sensible person can see this is being done to ensure the general public are sufficiently outraged, so that they will support drastic reductions and removal of disability benefits. (FWIW, no-one in my family claims benefits, but I have friends who need to and do.)

On the other hand, I have been concerned for years by the seemingly increasing numbers of young people that are illness/disability influencers and seem to live and breathe their disability as their identity and purpose, as that is not our lived experience. Yes, disability is part of who we are and therefore part, but not all, of our identities. We battle every single day just get on with things, get through the day and manage things that other people don’t even have to think about. I will admit to worrying that the exponential increase of this on social media may affect how people like myself and my dc are perceived.

Dd uses a walking stick. She has EDS and PoTS, plus multiple other delightful issues and while she can walk without a stick, she needs it for balance and if she is going to be walking for more than a short period of time. She was bed-bound for a long time, missed most of her secondary school education and in her early twenties is just beginning to get back on track, starting uni next academic year (albeit online, as she is still mostly housebound). Post uni she has chosen a career path she can do whilst working from home. She has to take multiple medications just so she can get out of bed and/or stand long enough to do anything. She is under a lot of specialists (all NHS btw in case we get accused of diagnosis shopping) sees a specialist physiotherapist regularly and has to do daily exercises to try and keep her joints stable and maintain sufficient muscle mass for venous return. Despite a good diet, she is dangerously thin and cannot maintain a healthy weight. She suffers from constant pain, daily dislocations and overwhelming exhaustion. Other than her weight, none of the things she struggles with can be seen or could be guessed.

I suspect, some of the early commenters on the thread would judge her and her partner if they saw them on one of their, very rare, outings. Especially as she is ‘alternative’ in style and as her partner is a part-time wheelchair user and has a walking stick for when they are not using their chair. Neither use a typical NHS type stick, why should they? They are young and if they’re going to have to use one regularly, they would rather it was one they like the look of and suits their style. When dd’s joints are at her worst she has to use specialist crutches that will take her weight without dislocating her shoulders and elbows, again these are not typical NHS crutches and are actually rather snazzy looking, which I suspect may also cause some people to make assumptions about them and her. On the rare occasions they go out together, I suppose some commenters on this thread would just automatically assume they are faking or making a lifestyle choice?

She would find this thread extremely distressing. Using her stick (or her crutches) helps give her confidence that, on the occasions she does go out, she has suitable support and won’t be given grief for needing a seat or to use the disabled toilets. Using these mobility aids has also meant that she is occasionally able to go for short walks locally on her own. She has lost so much and fought so hard over the last decade. Imho, regardless of the motive behind these threads and of the fact that yet-again, MNHQ failed to see and deal with ableism in the same was as it does other nastiness on the boards, the fact is they do cause harm, by adding to the current media feeding-frenzy suggesting all disabled people are lazy wastrels that want life handed to them on a plate, squeezing money out of the system in every way possible as they go.

Yet dd is one of the kindest, most supportive, non-judgemental people I know. I am honestly in awe of her. So many people that have been through what she has would be bitter and angry. I am not even close, as I am regularly frustrated and angry on her behalf and sometimes my own, although I am not as badly affected and was at least able to enjoy a decent number of years of having a relatively normal life before my body gave up.

I am not sure what the answer is. Social media and online support groups are a lifeline for those with disabilities who are housebound or have very limited capability to actively attend activities outside of their home, but disability being ‘promoted’ as a lifestyle choice is obviously never a good thing. Personally, I think it’s fairly easy to tell the difference, but then again, there are always going to be more colourful characters, who maybe are LGBT and/or favour an alternative style of clothing and hair and they should be allowed to express themselves however they damn well like, not just sit at home in shades of grey and brown in order for people to accept that they are genuinely struggling.

Like so many things, sadly, it comes down to the genuine people being inappropriately judged, based on the activity of the few with the boldest profiles or loudest voices.

I'd add, there are some brilliant social media accounts that have helped me get comfortable with having a fluctuating disability and being able to walk one day (or hour) and need a wheelchair the next.

I don't think we can extrapolate from a social media account to say that someone is making that their whole identity. They might have a social media account specifically to raise awareness/talk about their condition, while also living a full and interesting life too.

The chronic explorer comes to mind. She has a mitochondrial disease. She posts a lot about that on her insta page , and about invisible disability and using wheelchairs when you can walk and how to still travel. But outside of that she is also a very successful entrepreneur and scientist.

CassandraWebb · 11/07/2025 10:22

Ps @SilverSnaffles your daughter sounds lovely and I hope she never sees this thread!

SilverSnaffles · 11/07/2025 10:30

@CassandraWebb I agree. Dd and I have both found help and support via social media and I follow some excellent accounts.

I wouldn’t assume someone’s sm account represents their whole identify and lifestyle, unless that is exactly what they are actively promoting/presenting, iyswim. Genuine accounts are usually easy to spot and I do try not to assume about others that are less clear, but admit there are some that make me uneasy and I am noticing more and more of them over recent years.

The difference is, my feeling of unease, is never expressed by my calling them out, as I am well aware that I could well be wrong. I am pretty sure if dd had an account, a sizeable proportion of people would find it hard to believe what her day-to-day life actually looks like.

CassandraWebb · 11/07/2025 10:33

SilverSnaffles · 11/07/2025 10:30

@CassandraWebb I agree. Dd and I have both found help and support via social media and I follow some excellent accounts.

I wouldn’t assume someone’s sm account represents their whole identify and lifestyle, unless that is exactly what they are actively promoting/presenting, iyswim. Genuine accounts are usually easy to spot and I do try not to assume about others that are less clear, but admit there are some that make me uneasy and I am noticing more and more of them over recent years.

The difference is, my feeling of unease, is never expressed by my calling them out, as I am well aware that I could well be wrong. I am pretty sure if dd had an account, a sizeable proportion of people would find it hard to believe what her day-to-day life actually looks like.

That's a fair position to take.

And yes, I have found a lot of comfort and solidarity from being able to "meet" other people with my condition through social media. Getting tips on things that will help, feeling that someone "gets it" is hugely helpful

SilverSnaffles · 11/07/2025 10:34

@CassandraWebb thank you. She is amazing. I am so proud of her - and her siblings, one of which has their own disabilities to deal with and the other who is the biggest supporter and advocate of both of them.

There is no chance of her seeing this thread btw, being LGBT, she’s not a MN fan!

SidewaysOtter · 11/07/2025 10:40

@SilverSnaffles I'm sorry for your daughter's troubles but - as has been stated again and again and again on this thread - the discussion isn't about those who are genuinely disabled so it shouldn't be taken as an attack on them.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/07/2025 10:41

Let's not turn the thread into a support page for the chronic illness community, please. I'm sure there are threads on other boards for that purpose.
This board is for people that want to discuss trans ideology and its negative impact upon women and children; and anything which may be seen or interpreted as being adjacent to that......such as the trend for young women to use walking sticks as symbols of personal identity.

SidewaysOtter · 11/07/2025 10:46

The two articles posted above are very interesting, particularly the woman who'd become immersed in the "Spoonie" community and, following a forced removal from it, realised that it was just a downwards spiral of victimhood where the idea of getting better seemed to mean a) you weren't properly ill in the first place and b) you'd lose your access to the community.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 11/07/2025 10:55

SidewaysOtter · 11/07/2025 10:40

@SilverSnaffles I'm sorry for your daughter's troubles but - as has been stated again and again and again on this thread - the discussion isn't about those who are genuinely disabled so it shouldn't be taken as an attack on them.

Well, of course it is if people are judging and side eyeing others just on the basis that they have purple hair and are wearing dungarees and have the audacity to be using a stick at the same time.
People are going to be sharing their experiences and thoughts, and how do you think it makes people feel who are disabled and have brightly coloured hair? They shouldn't be automatically disbelieved or ridiculed.Of course it's personal, as it's being made so.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 11/07/2025 10:57

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/07/2025 10:41

Let's not turn the thread into a support page for the chronic illness community, please. I'm sure there are threads on other boards for that purpose.
This board is for people that want to discuss trans ideology and its negative impact upon women and children; and anything which may be seen or interpreted as being adjacent to that......such as the trend for young women to use walking sticks as symbols of personal identity.

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You aren't the thread police, and should have no place telling others that they can't share their experiences and opinions.

SidewaysOtter · 11/07/2025 10:58

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 11/07/2025 10:57

You aren't the thread police, and should have no place telling others that they can't share their experiences and opinions.

It's not the point of the thread so yes, I agree with @Shortshriftandlethal that those who want to talk about their issues can go and find the more appropriate parts of the board to do that. Otherwise they're just derailing a discussion because they don't like it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/07/2025 11:01

SidewaysOtter · 11/07/2025 10:46

The two articles posted above are very interesting, particularly the woman who'd become immersed in the "Spoonie" community and, following a forced removal from it, realised that it was just a downwards spiral of victimhood where the idea of getting better seemed to mean a) you weren't properly ill in the first place and b) you'd lose your access to the community.

There is one bit on the official website about one of the goals being to " love your chronic illness and not wish it away".

Everlore · 11/07/2025 11:03

Absentmindedsmile · 11/07/2025 09:57

They didn’t get cash in the bank from the government / tax payer for it, did they.

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Wow, you really learn something new every day. I assume that by "the government giving them money for it" you mean PIP. I had previously thought that, in order to be awarded PIP one had to fill in forms, submit medical evidence and undergo an assessment. However, thanks to you, I now learn that all you need to do to qualify for PIP is to send the DWP a letter stating you have a walking stick and they will send you bags of cash by return of post, no further questions asked. Thanks for enlightening me.
In other news, I'm one of the lucky people who have had an immediately apparent disability, which nobody quibbles about, since birth having been born without eyeballs. This means I don't get challenged as to why I need accommodations since my need for them is pretty obvious. However, it may surprise other posters to learn that I have had my hair dyed many unusual colours over the years and worn some wacky clothes in my time. So I'm not sure that these signifiers are the smoking gun for malingerers that many posters seem to imagine they are. I'm not sure if my white cane is likely to become a fashion accessory but I look forward to finally being on trend if it does.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/07/2025 11:07

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 11/07/2025 10:57

You aren't the thread police, and should have no place telling others that they can't share their experiences and opinions.

This is not the appropriate forum. This is FWR with a focus of trans ideology;the concept of gender identity, and the negative ways in which these movements impact woman and children. We already suffer with trans activists hijacking threads - even though they proclaim they dislike the forum and consider the people who post here to be hateful.

Anything which goes down the identity politics route is liable to be critiqued here, you'll find. Unless you are comfortable with that then it might be better to go somewhere more obviously supportive (in the manner you seek).

Here is one such thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/generalhealth/5195572-coping-with-a-chronic-illness

Whataretalkingabout · 11/07/2025 11:10

DamsonGoldfinch · 08/07/2025 20:14

Pretending you have a disability doesn’t do any favours for disabled people

I agree, it is exactly like some men pretending they are women....and is a disservice to real women...

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