Trans books banned in children's library sections

[BeeSouriante]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

Including kids books that just acknowledge the existence of trans people.

Obviously, this is a local Reform council, but would you call for a ban of books about trans people across the board?

Though they may be more forgiven for not having the budget to fix pot holes if they haven’t also given a big grant to the local pride.

Completely.

When activists can separate indoctrination and overwhelming bias, and intentional open agendas about influencing and recruiting children to their political benefit, and are able to cope with ideas such as 'women have rights too', and 'biological sex is not hate', and 'it's ok to be homosexual', and 'screaming and threatening to kill people isn't appropriate', and cope with the idea that there are a LOT of things to talk about regarding medicating and surgically interfering with healthy children, and heavily weighting sexist ideas as being the only right way - and that anyone who disagrees is hateful bigot scum - then they can come back and talk about putting children's books in the children's section of the library.

Until then, yes, its probably going to end in a massed ban, because activists are making it black or white as usual - you're wholly and unconditionally enabling or you're the enemy. And the only way to deal with that is just to take all that material away from that area until some sanity and sense of responsibility returns.

As usual, 'you don't want us to exist' is being used to flounce away from and detract from 'this behaviour has been wholly inappropriate and unacceptable' and rationally, there are consequences.

In 2019, i complained to my local library about ‘Beyond Magenta - Transgender Teens Speak Out’, because it was in the Trans Teen section.

The manager and i had a respectful discussion, and she agreed with me that it was probably in the wrong location.

So, it was moved to the Adult Non Fiction section, so it wouldn’t be possible for ‘young people to borrow this title on their own tickets’.

Ahhh - so you admit that they are not banned…
Just from the children’s section

which effectively means that they are not banned - most libraries will allow books from anywhere on a child’s ticket - I was reading dickens / Tolkien / Wodehouse / Sayers / etc. before I was 10 - no issue borrowing books from the adult section…

but it does mean that they are not presented as child suitable - clearly books like dickens and Wodehouse are in the adult section because they are not ‘child suitable’ based on vocabulary - these are not child suitable based on content / material

we should be asking as a society why anyone considers it acceptable to present such material aimed clearly at children - in much the same way that there are many sexual descriptive books / films / games / etc out there which are labelled as not suitable for children with age ratings etc so we should challenge why these books were even allowed in the first place

Going back to the OP, I think the BBC removed ‘I am Leo’ from their CBBC streaming content, presumably because it contained misinformation?

Apparently it is not true. BBC need to fact check better before lifting things from Reform

I agree with this. Parents should be as aware of what their children are reading as they should be about what they are accessing on line. If they aren't that is down to them. But I think that banning anything needs to be something approached in a very limited and reasoned way, because once you establish that what we don't like should be banned, it ends up with an awful lot of stuff being banned - sometimes including us!

I also (and I never thought I'd hear myself say this) agree with the Leader of the Lib Dems - are we now a country like the US where policy is announced on social media instead of being properly discussed in the democratic chambers appointed for that purpose? It may have come to the same end, and you may or may not agree with that outcome, but we are supposed to have a democracy.

Well, I agree with The 🐝

Ridiculous to ban / put these books out of reach to children. In fact, I think libraries should get appropriate practioners to read them out loud, so that slow readers can keep up

Parents should be as aware of what their children are reading as they should be about what they are accessing on line. If they aren't that is down to them. But I think that banning anything needs to be something approached in a very limited and reasoned way, because once you establish that what we don't like should be banned, it ends up with an awful lot of stuff being banned - sometimes including us!

So you disagree with parental controls or age limits on the internet? and it just be up to parents?

Well - this is happening in a limited and reasoned way. Because this is about curating a children’s library appropriately, not banning books. A kids section not stocking Stephen King isn’t banning Stephen King, is it?

What of course should be happening and hopefully will is that many of these books won’t be published at all. How some got over the line I can’t think.

I'm confused TeenToTwenties - did you entirely miss the obvious irony in my post about Farenheit 451 being about 'Shelfmen' reshelving books in libraries, or am I missing the obvious irony in yours?

Missed the irony I think!

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/13/the-rainbow-dildo-butt-monkey-is-no-laughing-matter/

This is what has been happening in children's libraries, a complete failure of safeguarding. It's about time someone took an interest in what children are being exposed to, and agree with pp, the WRN Dorset library report should be required reading for all those involved in buying books for children, whether for libraries or at home.

Shame to have started an existing thread when there already was one, which cant have been hard to miss.

So as usual discusion is now split.

Its really easy to get the list of threads to display as most recently added.

So you can then see only half an hour ago someone has added a thread.

And rightly so. Children do not need to read books about adults bedroom preferences. They deserve a childhood where they can discover and grow at an age appropriate rate. They need facts and stories. Its is why there are parental controls on internet access - to ensure child appropriate access.

This idea that children should be exposed to anything and everything is so weird no, they’re kids and not everything is appropriate or safe for them to access at every age. I question the people who think otherwise, and what their agenda may be…

A friend said their children aren't exposed to this kind of thing. They are in private school. It does make me wonder if it's a class thing. The rich (yes ok and a number of poorer people who've saved their money), who's children are privately educated probably wouldn't come into contact with the rainbow dildo butt monkey unless they ventured outside the school grounds.

I can't imagine Eton or Harrow's primary schools/infant allowing men in dresses with handbags. Your local primary school quite possibly will.

That’s post modernism and queer theory for you.

Gotta break down those boundaries between adults and children! 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

I remember reading about a particular DQST event, on ‘What Do They Know?’

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/drag_queen_story_time_informatio#incoming-2123761

The library had to provide fucking security for him!

Which is all perfectly natural, i’m sure.

A text about being trans that is not designed for children has been moved out of the children's section of the library to somewhere more appropriate.

Struggling to see the issue there. They haven't banned it just removed it from the kids books

If 'Mein Kampf' or '50 shades of grey' was found among 'biff chip and kipper' that should be moved to a more appropriate part of the library as well.

Mentioning trans people without saying it’s a mental health condition is basically advertising anorexic people as of they were healthy

This book on the shelf in The Works with all the kids books - someone mentioned it had imagery of an adult wearing ‘harnesses’ - trying to normalise fetish wear around children is grooming!

@BeeSouriante would you be happy for Kent libraries to stock My Body is Me! by Rachel Rooney? It seems that it's totally unacceptable to the "LGBTQ+ community".

BBC have an article about the book where the author defends the imagery…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-66591848