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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans books banned in children's library sections

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BeeSouriante · 04/07/2025 13:40

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

Including kids books that just acknowledge the existence of trans people.

Obviously, this is a local Reform council, but would you call for a ban of books about trans people across the board?

Rows of books on shelves. The books are all different colours.

Kent council bans transgender books in children’s library section

KCC says the move came after a "concerned member of the public" contacted them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

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Ddakji · 07/07/2025 16:24

Maddy70 · 07/07/2025 16:16

No book should ever be banned. Ever

But a children’s library should be allowed to curate their selection appropriately, yes?

TheOtherRaven · 07/07/2025 16:40

a) No book has been: merely moved to a different place.

b) What do you think should happen say if in the future a manipulative bad faith group should intentionally use everyone's beliefs and historical experiences to silence them and leverage their good intentions in order to access children in this way? With an openly declared agenda of needing to get the message across to young minds before older people realise and have a chance to infect them with things like boundaries or safeguarding?

How far should things go and people's good will, faiths and ethics be used against them before it's time to say that yes, there are perhaps some circumstances and some bad actors who need boundaries in ways that have not been needed before?

Is there any area in between obviously terrible Nuremberg style book burning rallies, and necessary strategies for child protection and parental guidance?

RunSlowTalkFast · 07/07/2025 16:56

Ddakji · 07/07/2025 16:24

But a children’s library should be allowed to curate their selection appropriately, yes?

This wasn't at a children's library.

Merrymouse · 07/07/2025 17:10

TheOtherRaven · 07/07/2025 16:40

a) No book has been: merely moved to a different place.

b) What do you think should happen say if in the future a manipulative bad faith group should intentionally use everyone's beliefs and historical experiences to silence them and leverage their good intentions in order to access children in this way? With an openly declared agenda of needing to get the message across to young minds before older people realise and have a chance to infect them with things like boundaries or safeguarding?

How far should things go and people's good will, faiths and ethics be used against them before it's time to say that yes, there are perhaps some circumstances and some bad actors who need boundaries in ways that have not been needed before?

Is there any area in between obviously terrible Nuremberg style book burning rallies, and necessary strategies for child protection and parental guidance?

Apparently yes, according to the BBC, because they withdrew 'I am Leo' from iPlayer, despite other programmes in the series remaining.

Presumably because the information in the programme was misleading.

Ddakji · 07/07/2025 17:14

RunSlowTalkFast · 07/07/2025 16:56

This wasn't at a children's library.

I’m talking generally.

(In this instance, it seems that a book was relocated from one area of the library to another. So not banned.)

Maddy70 · 07/07/2025 17:32

Ddakji · 07/07/2025 16:24

But a children’s library should be allowed to curate their selection appropriately, yes?

There should be classifications for books of course. But banning absolutely not

Dwimmer · 07/07/2025 17:33

Maddy70 · 07/07/2025 16:16

No book should ever be banned. Ever

So books of porn featuring explicit child abuse should allowed?

Al Quaeda training manuels?

’How to cook up Ricin at home in three easy steps?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/07/2025 17:33

Maddy70 · 07/07/2025 16:16

No book should ever be banned. Ever

Well you’ll be thrilled to know the books haven’t been banned but simply relocated to the adults section

Ddakji · 07/07/2025 18:08

Maddy70 · 07/07/2025 17:32

There should be classifications for books of course. But banning absolutely not

No. Which isn’t happening. But activist librarians re certainly allowing utterly inappropriate books into the children’s section.

RunSlowTalkFast · 07/07/2025 19:45

Ddakji · 07/07/2025 18:08

No. Which isn’t happening. But activist librarians re certainly allowing utterly inappropriate books into the children’s section.

But not in this instance as it wasn't in the children's section.

Ddakji · 07/07/2025 21:33

RunSlowTalkFast · 07/07/2025 19:45

But not in this instance as it wasn't in the children's section.

And it hasn’t been banned either.

But what is definitely happening, as you can see from the link I earlier posted to WRN Dorset’s report and as I know from my own libraries, is that activist librarians, both in local libraries and school libraries, are putting highly inappropriate books in children’s section.

One very influential primary school librarian recently posted the LGBT+ display that she’s curated in her primary school, which includes Grandad’s Pride.

HPFA · 08/07/2025 08:30

Kent Libraries has multiple copies of Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stocks' books so I dont think there's any virulent activism going on there.

I've also seen "Julian is a Mermaid" cited as a trans book which it most definitely isn't.

The problem is less with librarians than with publishers - if librarians see a book from a reputable publisher called "Gender" aimed at a nine year old they'll assume its written by an expert the same way they'll assume a book called "the Romans" is written by an expert.

In ye olden days all books for children were read and reviewed but cost savings did away with that long ago.

OldCrone · 08/07/2025 09:53

Maddy70 · 07/07/2025 16:16

No book should ever be banned. Ever

Some books are banned (in the UK).

Obscene Publications | The Crown Prosecution Service

I don't think this applies to any of the books being discussed here though.

Obscene Publications | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/obscene-publications

Ddakji · 08/07/2025 10:17

HPFA · 08/07/2025 08:30

Kent Libraries has multiple copies of Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stocks' books so I dont think there's any virulent activism going on there.

I've also seen "Julian is a Mermaid" cited as a trans book which it most definitely isn't.

The problem is less with librarians than with publishers - if librarians see a book from a reputable publisher called "Gender" aimed at a nine year old they'll assume its written by an expert the same way they'll assume a book called "the Romans" is written by an expert.

In ye olden days all books for children were read and reviewed but cost savings did away with that long ago.

The problem is very much with librarians. We know that there are plenty of activist librarians that suppress books by authors whose views they don’t like (ie GC authors - this sails very close to blacklisting which is illegal in the UK) and push gender identity ideology titles.

Publishers of course are a problem as well. But it is naive to think that librarians don’t know what they’re doing.

One of the librarians in my borough has an almost constant trans/queer display, whatever month of the year it is. This library also employs a man who IDs as a woman. Coincidence? None of the other libraries in the borough do this to the same extent. I’ve also had to move books and object to where books have been shelved in this library.

HPFA · 08/07/2025 11:15

Ddakji · 08/07/2025 10:17

The problem is very much with librarians. We know that there are plenty of activist librarians that suppress books by authors whose views they don’t like (ie GC authors - this sails very close to blacklisting which is illegal in the UK) and push gender identity ideology titles.

Publishers of course are a problem as well. But it is naive to think that librarians don’t know what they’re doing.

One of the librarians in my borough has an almost constant trans/queer display, whatever month of the year it is. This library also employs a man who IDs as a woman. Coincidence? None of the other libraries in the borough do this to the same extent. I’ve also had to move books and object to where books have been shelved in this library.

I did a search once on public library catalogues and there were very few that didn't have copies of the main GC books in reasonable numbers.

Ddakji · 08/07/2025 11:20

HPFA · 08/07/2025 11:15

I did a search once on public library catalogues and there were very few that didn't have copies of the main GC books in reasonable numbers.

I don’t deny that, though I know that again, my local library hadn’t until I’ve ordered them in. I think I did for both Graham Linehan and Sharron Davies.

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