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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

School flying the trans/pride flag...

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happydappy2 · 30/06/2025 17:27

DDs school is flying the pride progress flag (with the trans colours & chevron) I have no issue with the traditional rainbow pride flag but don't feel it's appropriate to fly a trans flag (which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology.) I'm composing an email...has anyone encountered similar? Are the traditional rainbow flags ever seen?

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WithSilverBells · 30/06/2025 17:36

Article is two years old, but makes some very valid points:
https://archive.ph/po0cO#selection-1531.0-1545.477

'The annual rainbow-fest of Gay Pride is here, but instead of the long-established six-coloured flag, with colours standing for broadly positive and inclusive values like “life” and “healing”, we once again see the new “Progress Pride Flag” everywhere from branded electric bikes to bank branches.
The Progress version emerged out of identitarian leftist campaigning in 2018. It sports pink and blue lines for “trans pride”, black and brown for, you know, all “black and brown” people and, on some, a purple circle on yellow for intersex people. It signifies a constantly changing game of progressive one-upmanship and inclusivity bingo. Opt out and, to the new left, you’re fair game. So when I see the Progress flag, I don’t think of “pride”. I feel confronted by a toxic ideology of reductive identity politics and oppression hierarchies.
For this good reason it is illegal to fly it on government buildings without planning permission. Yet it has appeared over both the Foreign Office and the Bank of England in recent years. Private companies can do what they like, but what on earth are venerable state bodies playing at by displaying this highly controversial, political symbol? And who gave permission — if they did? The worst of it is that the culprits almost certainly don’t even realise that it is political.'

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

happydappy2 · 30/06/2025 17:27

DDs school is flying the pride progress flag (with the trans colours & chevron) I have no issue with the traditional rainbow pride flag but don't feel it's appropriate to fly a trans flag (which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology.) I'm composing an email...has anyone encountered similar? Are the traditional rainbow flags ever seen?

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

JellySaurus · 30/06/2025 20:11

That's a gender critical opinion also held by the gay community.

Fixed it for you.

School flying the trans/pride flag...
Retiredfromthere · 30/06/2025 20:17

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

How abut this guy. Fred Sargeant, you may know his name @Christinapple
Quote from the article ...

'I intend to keep speaking truth to power for the rest of my days. I have flown the Gilbert Baker Rainbow Flag during Pride for more than 25 years, but this year I stopped. The Rainbow Flag has been usurped by a purportedly progressive flag, which is truly representative of the appropriation of the acts and accomplishments of the lesbian and gay community during the past 50 years.'

https://thevelvetchronicle.com/fred-sargeant-the-time-has-come-for-a-new-gay-liberation-movement/

Fred Sargeant: The Time Has Come For A New Gay Liberation Movement

"I have flown the Gilbert Baker Rainbow Flag during Pride for more than 25 years, but this year I stopped."

https://thevelvetchronicle.com/fred-sargeant-the-time-has-come-for-a-new-gay-liberation-movement

MelodyMalone · 30/06/2025 20:27

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

A lot of GC people are lesbians. Some are even gay men.

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:28

JellySaurus · 30/06/2025 20:11

That's a gender critical opinion also held by the gay community.

Fixed it for you.

Source: LGBAlliance

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 30/06/2025 20:34

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:28

Source: LGBAlliance

Are you one of those homophobic straight people who thinks that it is fine and dandy for a straight man with a sexual orientation towards the opposite sex to call himself a lesbian and a straight woman who is attracted to the opposite sex to call herself a gay man?

countrysidedeficit · 30/06/2025 20:44

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

Disinformation.

happydappy2 · 30/06/2025 21:01

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

Hmm well telling potentially same sex attracted children they are 'trans' is deeply homophobic-throw into the mix children on the autism spectrum and we can all see the harm. Trans ideology is harmful to children and has no place in schools. I know many gay and lesbian people who are horrified by this ideology

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JanesLittleGirl · 30/06/2025 21:23

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

Well I don't know but the Supreme Court applied a lot of weight to the expression "nobody is sexually attracted to a certificate".

DragonRunor · 30/06/2025 21:37

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

My cousin’s a lesbian. She is deeply critical of the negative impacts transwomen have had on her community. Of course it’s homophobic to rebrand same-sex attraction as same-gender attraction

suresuresuresure · 30/06/2025 21:40

Chris here again 🙄

RowsOfFlowers · 30/06/2025 21:40

I don’t understand why it includes trans anyway. Isn’t Pride about sexuality? Trans is about gender identity. I don’t like to conflate the two…

beezlebubnicky · 30/06/2025 21:42

The vast majority of lesbians and gay men are supportive of their trans brothers and sisters, so people bringing up gender critical lesbians are just trying to obscure the point.

This is a non-issue, it's appropriate for school children to be aware of differences and learn to be tolerant of them. It's a flag.

TempestTost · 30/06/2025 21:44

I don't think schools should be flying any flags for specific groups. It's a complete minefield, what's next, the Israeli flag, the Catholic flag? Have a school flag if people want flags, or fly a national or town flag.

ImNunTheWiser · 30/06/2025 21:48

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community

🤣 the Gay Community (all of them, every single one…) spokesman has arrived.

WithSilverBells · 30/06/2025 22:10

beezlebubnicky · 30/06/2025 21:42

The vast majority of lesbians and gay men are supportive of their trans brothers and sisters, so people bringing up gender critical lesbians are just trying to obscure the point.

This is a non-issue, it's appropriate for school children to be aware of differences and learn to be tolerant of them. It's a flag.

Irrelevant opinion because you and your 'toxic ideology of reductive identity politics and oppression hierarchies' compatriots are using a different definition of lesbian and gay to the rest of the population

lady69 · 30/06/2025 22:23

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

🐂💩

Tiredofwhataboutery · 30/06/2025 22:42

beezlebubnicky · 30/06/2025 21:42

The vast majority of lesbians and gay men are supportive of their trans brothers and sisters, so people bringing up gender critical lesbians are just trying to obscure the point.

This is a non-issue, it's appropriate for school children to be aware of differences and learn to be tolerant of them. It's a flag.

I don’t think it appropriate to teach children gender ideology in school. I think it can be really harmful for children, especially vulnerable children, to grow up in a be kind bubble where they are told you can change sex.

Much better to teach children that it’s ok to be gender non conforming and learn to be tolerant of that and break down stereotypes of gender norms whilst respecting biological reality.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2025 22:51

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

Actually it is.

But do feel free to do your usual trick of misrepresenting issues.

JellySaurus · 30/06/2025 23:10

*JellySaurus
That's a gender critical opinion also held by the gay community.

Fixed it for you.

Source: LGBAlliance*

And?

Oh, I get it. Not that gay community.

The only gay communities that matter are the ones who follow your ideology. Others are not allowed to define their own lives. Now, where have we heard this before?

jaggededger · 30/06/2025 23:24

beezlebubnicky · 30/06/2025 21:42

The vast majority of lesbians and gay men are supportive of their trans brothers and sisters, so people bringing up gender critical lesbians are just trying to obscure the point.

This is a non-issue, it's appropriate for school children to be aware of differences and learn to be tolerant of them. It's a flag.

Are they though? You don’t speak for everyone. The LGB alliance suggests otherwise - and the lesbians I know are firmly GC.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2025 23:31

All gay people must have the same political beliefs. That's the Law According To Transactivists who clearly believe in principles of democracy and free choice without duress.

Obviously.

StopTheWorld1WantToGetOff · 01/07/2025 00:38

Christinapple · 30/06/2025 20:05

"which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology"

That's a gender critical opinion and not one held by the gay community.

Like all so-called “communities” the “gay community” is made up of individuals who all have their own mind and have their own opinions. They are not one homogenous mass who all think the same.