School flying the trans/pride flag...

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DDs school is flying the pride progress flag (with the trans colours & chevron) I have no issue with the traditional rainbow pride flag but don't feel it's appropriate to fly a trans flag (which I think is a deeply homophobic ideology.) I'm composing an email...has anyone encountered similar? Are the traditional rainbow flags ever seen?

This applies to government buildings. The majority of schools are now academies, not government buildings.

The data tells us that cis-gender lesbians and bisexual women are the most supportive people of transgender inclusion in the UK.
https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/45983-what-do-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-brito

Do you not believe that the LGB Alliance is an alliance of Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual people?
Surely they are representative of the Gay Community?

Agreed. Schools duty should be to its children’s education, not to any ideology (no matter how worthy of support).

Do you speak for the whole gay community then? I know a hell of a lot of lesbians that are gender critical and feel they’ve been pushed aside in favour of trans rights.

they are presumably flying the flag because its Pride month?
Most LGBTQ+ organisations use the progress flag, rather than the gilbert baker 1978 one

I'm sure they will have PSHE provision in school (that you have a legal right to see) that discusses this with the pupils, but i really don't think flying a progress pride flag during pride month is outrageous....

The data tells us that cis-gender lesbians

Anyone using the term “cisgender lesbians” is perpetuating the homophobic belief that there can be such a thing as “transgender lesbians”, ie men. Men can never be lesbians. The term itself is homophobic as is the ideology behind the language.

How do you know that it is not held by gay people?

Are you gay? Did you get appointed as the spokesperson for gay people on the issue?

Was the question asked ‘do you agree with the progress flag taking over from the rainbow flag’?

Otherwise, your post doesn’t really have relevance. Because most people who support the sex based rights for female people being prioritised above gender will still ‘support’ or as the polling question asked ‘ view positively’ transgender people.

Yet we see that poll posted regularly and generally posted in error as evidence where it is not relevant. Now if the question about flags was asked it would be relevant.

So, what did it say about flag?

quite, this is a major part of educational guidance.

Alongside KCSiE which now talks about LGB and has separate sections about gender questioning children.

You don't know the same gay people I do.

This is the thing, isn’t it? Whenever a trans activist says things like “gay people”, “lesbians”, and “women” they could actually be referring to “straight people”, “straight men” and “men”. So any point their trying to make is linguistically meaningless.

This other thread may be helpful https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5364914-labour-council-breaking-law-after-hoisting-pro-trans-flag?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

This is the thing, isn’t it? Whenever a trans activist says things like “gay people”, “lesbians”, and “women” they could actually be referring to “straight people”, “straight men” and “men”. So any point their trying to make is linguistically meaningless.

Absolutely.

Gay, lesbian and bi people have the same agency to describe their demographic and their experiences as women do. The TRAs try to remove this from them in the same way they try to remove it from women. Through distorting language, through deception and through intimidation.

Cos all the gender critical ones wouldn't do a survey like that out of fear or have gone back in the closet?

*they’re not their 🙄

The school is owned by a Private Ltd Co. So would planning permission still be required? Or does that only apply to government buildings? Thanks if anyone can clarify

False. Government buildings cannot fly political flags at all.

My post absolutely applies to schools.

I do like the idea that The Gay Community is of one mind about everything.

Does one have to hand back one's membership card if found to be in breach of the One True Opinion?

Seriously Chris, do you get paid for this? Day and day, week after week, month after month, you trample all over threads here. You're not trying to change hearts and minds (and certainly not succeeding!). More like one of those old fellas you used to get years ago with the sandwich boards saying, the End is Nigh. What is the point? I can't see it.

I'm sure they will have PSHE provision in school (that you have a legal right to see)

So why are parents having to go to court to try to force schools to give them sight of lesson plans and materials and to know who is actually teaching their children?

"Transparency In Schools - FOI Appeal To Access Secret Lesson Plan"
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/transparency-in-schools-foi-ap/

Why did an MP have to propose a new clause in the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill, Clause 58?

“Where requested by the parent or carer of a child on the school’s pupil roll, a school must allow such persons to view all materials used in the teaching of the school curriculum, including those provided by external, third-party, charitable or commercial providers.”—
This new clause would ensure that parents can view materials used in the teaching of the school curriculum.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/pbc/2024-25/Children%E2%80%99s_Wellbeing_and_Schools_Bill/14-0_2025-02-11a.570.3

This was voted out by Labour MPs in order to maintain the status quo, ie. that parents do not have a legal right to see what is being taught to their children in PHSE:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/pbc/2024-25/Children%E2%80%99s_Wellbeing_and_Schools_Bill/14-0_2025-02-11a.570.3#g573.1

Within a context of declining support for trans inclusion (as below) you are saying that women are more inclined to be kind that gay men or straight men?

'While seven in ten Britons say they have a positive or neutral view of transgender people, there has been a 10pt increase in the number of Britons with a negative view since 2021 - and Britons think the wider public tends to have a negative view'. (copied from the article you cited. I assume you read it.)

Well I think it's fair to say that's it's a topic that is likely to be given a higher priority by women than men.

the schools ive worked in always show materials to parents who ask?

Luckily the schools you worked in had nothing to hide, so they chose to show materials to parents who asked to see them.

Unfortunately, the Information Commissioner's Office has sided with a school that chose not to show materials to a parent who asked.

"In a landmark decision, the ICO backed the school's choice to keep the lesson and teacher's identity secret from parents, prioritising the commercial interest of a third party education provider over the public interest of parents to know what their children are taught. They have also prioritised the privacy of the teacher over safeguarding concerns."

This is despite the Dept of Education stating that "parents should be given every opportunity to understand the purpose and content of Relationships Education and RSE".

For up to date info about this case, which demonstrates that parents do not currently have a legal right to this information, there is a link in my post that you quoted. It is right under this text:

Transparency In Schools - FOI Appeal To Access Secret Lesson Plan

(I am not posting the link again because it is to a Crowdfunder. Whilst Mumsnet was kind enough to allow it to stand on that occasion, I do not want to push my luck by posting the link again.)

This is an interview with the mother, Clare Page, by barrister Dr Anna Loutfi about what happened when Clare asked to see the lessons taught at her daughter's school:

What's Being Taught In Our SCHOOLS? - The Bad Law Show - Clare Page