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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Broadcasters must air views that trans women are women, says Ofcom

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IwantToRetire · 29/06/2025 21:00

Media regulator warns GB News that it cannot treat the controversy as settled despite Supreme Court victory in April.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/29/broadcasters-must-air-views-trans-women-are-women-ofcom/

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/06/2025 08:02

orangewasp · 30/06/2025 07:49

I think you need to start your own thread about this, rather than making a tenuous link on this one.
The majority of people in the UK, including feminists, support access to safe, legal abortions.

This! And btw Trish we totally see the blatant attempt to force team being GC with far right views like minimising access to abortion.

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:07

Not at all I understand that First wave feminists were adamantly opposed to abortion as the ultimate exploitation of women. And third wave feminism is realising this

OldCrone · 30/06/2025 08:13

frenchnoodle · 30/06/2025 07:53

Here is the thing, ofcom is responsible for making sure most TV channels give a range of views...

The exception is the BBC, they can only 'advise' the BBC to make internal investigations.

So in this case it is their job to get news channels to air a range of views on a topic. That's what they have done, it's what separates out channels from the ones in the US.

It's not ofcoms fault the BBC are exempt from their overview and have a big old trend for social engineering topics.

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On their website, ofcom say that they are now the BBC's regulator (since 2017).
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/bbc/how-ofcom-deals-with-bbc-complaints--what-you-need-to-know

This is about complaints in general. I couldn't see anything on the ofcom website about a requirement for TV channels to present a range of views.

It would be an odd reversal if the BBC were now the only broadcaster which was exempt from presenting both sides of a controversial issue. Traditionally they have been the one that the public could trust to be impartial, while other channels were considered to be more like newspapers which might have a political bias.

How Ofcom deals with BBC complaints – what you need to know

As the UK regulator responsible for overseeing content broadcast on TV, radio and video on-demand (VoD), Ofcom handles thousands of complaints from viewers and listeners every year, covering a range of issues.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/bbc/how-ofcom-deals-with-bbc-complaints--what-you-need-to-know

NoBinturongsHereMate · 30/06/2025 08:17

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:07

Not at all I understand that First wave feminists were adamantly opposed to abortion as the ultimate exploitation of women. And third wave feminism is realising this

We're mostly second wave around here, and not fond of incoherent arguments like 'decriminalisation will make more people do it in secret'

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:23

This is feminism. So if a person wanted to start an exclusively pro abortion thread only then I guess you'd do that. But I don't see why the echo chamber. Here I am Convince me abortion does not kill females?

frenchnoodle · 30/06/2025 08:25

OldCrone · 30/06/2025 08:13

On their website, ofcom say that they are now the BBC's regulator (since 2017).
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/bbc/how-ofcom-deals-with-bbc-complaints--what-you-need-to-know

This is about complaints in general. I couldn't see anything on the ofcom website about a requirement for TV channels to present a range of views.

It would be an odd reversal if the BBC were now the only broadcaster which was exempt from presenting both sides of a controversial issue. Traditionally they have been the one that the public could trust to be impartial, while other channels were considered to be more like newspapers which might have a political bias.

The BBC have never been impartial.

And:
Part of what ofcom does statement from their website;

"We also help to make sure people across the UK are satisfied with what they see and hear on TV and radio, and that programmes reflect the audiences they serve."

"a range of companies provide quality television and radio programmes that appeal to diverse audiences"

BackToLurk · 30/06/2025 08:28

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 06:03

Trans is "my body my choice". True feminists must always support biological truth. Not "choice". How many women are not with us today because they were aborted. Life begins at fertilisation. . Sex is determined at fertilisation and is immutable. We have no credibility opposing trans but not opposing abortion first.

There are very few people here who would argue that adults don’t have the choice of what to do with their own bodies. The question is how far those choices should impact others. Choice is always within limits.

Chersfrozenface · 30/06/2025 08:29

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:23

This is feminism. So if a person wanted to start an exclusively pro abortion thread only then I guess you'd do that. But I don't see why the echo chamber. Here I am Convince me abortion does not kill females?

That is not what we're discussing here.

Although, to digress a little, there is such a thing as sex-selective abortion. Which is only possible because sex in humans is determined at conception, can be detected in the womb and is impossible to change.

OldCrone · 30/06/2025 08:29

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:23

This is feminism. So if a person wanted to start an exclusively pro abortion thread only then I guess you'd do that. But I don't see why the echo chamber. Here I am Convince me abortion does not kill females?

This thread is about "Broadcasters must air views that trans women are women, says Ofcom". It's not remotely connected to abortion.

Start your own thread. The best place for this would be feminism chat.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism

Please stop derailing this thread.

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PencilsInSpace · 30/06/2025 08:31

GB news are not averse to inviting TRAs on are they? Do they still wheel out Benjamin Butterworth? They seem to have the paedophile apologist Peter Tatchell on quite frequently.

It just says they must air these views, it doesn't say they're not allowed to laugh at them.

Justme56 · 30/06/2025 08:34

It seems that Ofcom are already captured by ‘gender’. Can’t imagine their own bias would go down well at an ET.

Broadcasters must air views that trans women are women, says Ofcom
Mmmnotsure · 30/06/2025 08:37

The flags at Glastonbury thread was well and truly derailed.

And here we are again. Another name, another squirrel, if people decide to chase it.

BettyBooper · 30/06/2025 08:38

Justme56 · 30/06/2025 08:34

It seems that Ofcom are already captured by ‘gender’. Can’t imagine their own bias would go down well at an ET.

This ideology is absolutely everywhere!

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 30/06/2025 08:39

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:23

This is feminism. So if a person wanted to start an exclusively pro abortion thread only then I guess you'd do that. But I don't see why the echo chamber. Here I am Convince me abortion does not kill females?

Demanding women’s labour is not feminist. HTH

Delphin · 30/06/2025 08:39

We are not discussing abortion right now. Please open your own thread if you want to discuss it, rather than force-teaming us.

Delphin · 30/06/2025 08:40

People, stop answering to Trish. He will go away if we ignore him.

Fringle · 30/06/2025 08:44

Before I go any further…nobody takes a dimmer view of “TWAW” than me, with all the obvious real-world dangers, unfairness and stupidity that comes with the actions and policy that have followed it.

But isn’t Ofcom just saying that this is a controversial subject on which views differ and if that subject is raised it must reflect (broadly speaking) the other side?

I don’t see that the SC judgment “settles” the debate. It makes clear that the EA must be understood in terms of biological sex. Thank god. But it doesn’t stop a trans activist from arguing their corner in other terms.

Ultimately it’s not really a debate that can be settled. It’s a debate about social conventions. As I say, I think it’s a fatuous debate - since the science isn’t open to question and conventions can’t trump science - but the trans voice would say, I think, that the science defines biological sex, not mores.

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:46

See silencing and shunning women who disagree with babies being killed. That's not "feminism" surely?

Delphin · 30/06/2025 08:50

A women? Sure. You and your mates have been flooding the forum with shit for weeks, to shut us up.

ByGreenHiker · 30/06/2025 08:52

The circular nature of this argument baffles me.

Im not a transwoman and never will be because of biology.

All transwoman are men because a defining characteristic of trans women is that you have to be a man.

In order to be a transwoman you have to be a man.

cryptide · 30/06/2025 08:53

Binglebong · 29/06/2025 22:01

It's sick, it means they have to call rapists she if the man wants it.

No it doesn't. It just means people can express that view. Others are free to contradict it.

NotBadConsidering · 30/06/2025 08:54

I have no strong objection to this, because every time a trans activist opens his mouth he does more damage. I would want to make sure that no one should be allowed to say TWAW unopposed or unchallenged. For too long it was treated as the accepted definition until everyone said “hang on, since when has that been agreed upon.”

So let some loon keep chanting their empty illogical mantra, in fact, make them do it on the 6 O’clock news and ask them to define woman in the process. Let the entire nation see it in all its glory.

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:54

@Fringle Ofcom stiplulates that man made climate change is settled and diverse viewpoints need not be broadcast - (despite many of the most elite atmospheric scientists disputing it) but they dont allow biological sex to be
in that category.of clearly defined fact Ofcom clearly not impartial and cannot effectively scrutinise

LittleBitofBread · 30/06/2025 08:55

Lins77 · 30/06/2025 07:32

Isn't the key word here "views"? It's not saying it must at all times be said that trans women are women, or that opposing voices can't be heard.

I expect broadcasters to be able to air a range of views including having those views challenged. "No debate" is hopefully over.

This is what I think too. It all depends, of course, on how presenters and shows handle it; if they make clear that these are views, or if they join in with the ideology and call men ‘her’ etc.

Indesperationrightnow · 30/06/2025 08:59

TrishTeres · 30/06/2025 08:46

See silencing and shunning women who disagree with babies being killed. That's not "feminism" surely?

Oh just bore off

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