Transgender campaigners call for European rights body to report on UK

[BeeSouriante]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/28/transgender-campaigners-council-of-europe-report-on-uk

edit: The Council of Europe has previously been very critical of how the UK deals with its trans citizens, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.

I've asked you several times for your opinion on what it is about the male toilets, with their cubicles and urinals, and sinks, and towels or driers that you don't like. But you never respond. What else in these toilets would you need to enable you to use them?

And we could argue back that allowing men (yes, they are Bee) in places where we expect only to be with other females breaches our human rights.

Indeed, in some circumstances, being forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex can be considered a form of torture.

We keep replying to argue our case, including for the lurkers, but really, nothing more is needed than the below:

Transgender campaigners in the UK are urging the Council of Europe to investigate a recent Supreme Court ruling that defines "woman" and "sex" based on biological sex.

What an absolutely astonishing sentence. I'm wary of the RSOH cliché, but can't help thinking that future historians and sociologists will have a field day with this. Give it enough time, and they'll see it as we do Salem.

In as many words:

Transgender campaigners in the UK are urging the Council of Europe to investigate a recent Supreme Court ruling that gives the female sex the right to distinguish themselves from males in language and law.

Look at the egotistical display on show here.

We have a classic
BEHOLD A MAN HAS ARRIVED!

We've been having serious discussions on this for years. You are not the only trans in the village.

We are not trolling. We are disagreeing and saying this is bollocks and we aren't playing anymore. You don't get to set the rules and tell us how we should behave.

Women are going to set their own terms and conditions and set the agenda for themselves going forward. Males are not part of that.

You need to stop hijacking women groups, because our self interest is NOT aligned with the centring of males. We don't have to subject ourselves to being service humans to enable and validate males.

Stop trojaning women's and lgb rights and understand that human rights are based on equality not dominating and subjugating another group.

You are just going to have to get used to a compromise solution, rather than getting your own way at our expense.

Because the answer is no.

And actually there isn't a debate to be had over this. We are done with it. We have done our homework, we've been more than reasonable and we STILL got ignored and trampled all over because you refused to listen. We are happy with third space solutions and we are not trying to threaten anyone. The rest is for you to solve. This is not women's emotional labour.

The only purpose this thread really has is to explain this 'new reality' - once again until the penny drops.

The world does not revolve around you. It is not centred around transrights. Women have rights too. We'd be grateful if you could actually show us some respect for once. It's about time it was acknowledged that respect is not a one way street.

We will not allow the use of the females in women's toilets to appease the demand for validation by men.

The answer is no.

To be clear..

1. Having dysphoria is not a choice, but transitioning is.
2. You only transition away from a sex, not towards one.
3. Females experience higher levels sexual violence from men. Sexual violence happens in private spaces away from other men.
4. If the rights you want takes aways other peoples safety and dignity then they are not human rights.

It brings to mind one of my favourite gifs about men arriving to explain.

https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/mansplaining-man-a-man-has-arrived-to-explain-his-manly-views-gif-15480977

<checks bothered bag>

Nope. Nothing.

We will never get an answer to this question, nor the one about what rights trans people don't have which blows the I am here for a discussion trope right out of the water. Bee is not here to discuss or debate but to scold, sneer and dictate - that ship sailed long ago Bee.

This has been posted before, but I thought that it might be of interest to any lurkers reading this thread.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1816266309555884491.html

The into:

"For anyone who doesn’t know, I’m a law enforcement officer with experience investigating both homicides and sex crimes.

When I was a rookie in 2007, there was a clear understanding that crossdressing men in women’s spaces were often there for sexual reasons..."

That is exactly the thought I had with that two line post by Bee.

The 'but why aren't you just listening to me and fawning all over me?' dawning realisation.

Because we don't have to.

Another point.

Why do transgender campaigners such as Bee think the ruling was about women, not men?

Was it

a) There is a conflict of rights, in which female people are disproportionately affected?

b) Female people are naturally more inclined to prejudice against trans people than males.

Whichever way you look at it, the misogyny is there.

In their denial of A) and accusations of bigotry, Bee seems (with phonetic appropriateness - sorry !) to favour... B?

Nor do we want to Red and that is obviously such a shock to Bee, how very dare women not centre Bee and do what Bee demands.

The one where a male poster somehow believed that they were the first male poster with a transgender identity to post on this board and / or not understanding that there are posters on this board with transgender identities but that this male poster has decided that they don't exist?

And that a male person should be centred on a feminism board that was set up specifically for Sex & Gender discussions? And that they, as a male poster, should be able to censure the topics that female people wish to discuss on a feminism board, or at all?

You really couldn't get a better example of misogyny really.

I think the only appropriate response to any criticisms from the Council of Europe is this.

"Show us where it says in the treaty we signed up to in 1953 that the desires of male people who wish to be women trump the rights of actual women. Where it actually says it, not where you imagine it says it if you squint very hard and read between the lines. Until you can do that, you can bog off, because no one in the UK has ever voted for you and you have no democratic legitimacy."

Exactly.

We don't have to and we don't want to and that's an acceptable position in line with our legal rights which WE had taken away from us UNLAWFULLY.

This is different from transpeople who never had certain assumed 'rights' due to unlawful discrimination against women thanks to activist overreach and misrepresentations.

Human Rights require the understanding of the principle of balancing competing issues and the minimisation of harm.

Ultimately it comes down to the following: a single transwomen (or man claiming his right to be treated equally with other males) entering a female only space affects and removes the privacy and dignity of potentially thousands of women over the course of a lifetime. Therefore the solution is to create third spaces or for males to simply use male spaces and address the lack of tolerance of men. Rather than force women to tolerate their presence at the expense of their privacy and dignity.

This is not our problem to fix.

I would actually like this to be make perfectly clear, to be honest.

That no human right exists to separate out publicly accessed spaces based on the expectation of privacy or safety from another person of the same sex class. To be clear, there is no human right that says a group of male people should be given the additional privilege of accessing female single sex provisions for any reason.

The right of privacy needs to stop being misused. Because that right of privacy does not over ride female single sex provision rights.

It is a falsity that has been allowed to be repeated over and over. Perhaps it needs to be challenged at the Human Rights Court for once and for all. Has any lobby group for transgender campaigning done this?

The problem has been the misrepresention of the right to privacy.

The right to privacy has extensive exemptions on the grounds of impact to others - all of which relate to wellbeing and safety.

Yes. But it just keeps being used as the 'right' that is foundational.

It is just all built on falsity because the exemptions are deliberately neglected to be mentioned or are ignored.

transwomen, who are male, don’t have the right to go into women’s spaces. That’s it Bee. It’s really rather simple.
Also, there’s no CIS: women are women and female. Trans women are transwomen and male. The end.

But you've not discussed anything!

You've linked an article, added and AI summary, and then whinged that people are being mean. How are people meant to respond when you don't actually provide anything to respond to.

I've seen plenty of trans people come on this forum and actually discuss and engage, you're not one of them.

Absolutely this.

Absolutely… See also repeated use of Wikipedia as a source!

Not the only trans person at all. The only one who is anti women’s rights, but absolutely not the only TW (male).