Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

Yes you can but equally i can disagree. I'm not a cis anything. We have trans and women.

Yes, it's cultural appropriation. The oppressors are trying to co-opt the oppression of women. It's deeply offensive on every conceivable level and an insult.

😂 He’s not even naturally funny. As other comedians have said, he always reads off an autocue (eg. On QI), he can’t cope with improv. Hence he’s utterly useless on fast moving shows like would I lie to you. He’s not as quick witted as eg. Lee Mack. Fry is simply a product of a privileged white male posh upbringing, and very good luck. Sorry old woman hating man with his young boy husband.

I can’t remember the interviewer (someone else on here might) but last year he basically said something along the lines of TRAs had gone too far. And that was about 6 months after he’d participated in an ad campaign (by Stonewall, I think) saying trans rights are human rights, or similar.

Sorry, not being vague to be disingenuous - just haven’t had enough tea and genuinely can’t remember the details.

Well I am so pleased to hear that nobody who posts on FWR has ever suffered discrimination in any form. Not a single poster is a woman, is LGB, has a disability, is a person of colour, lives in poverty, etc. Well done us for breezing through life with no barriers

Niemoller must have driven himself to the core of the Earth with all the spinning he'll have done in his grave from people misappropriating that quotation of his in the most gross and offensive way. He was not talking about women having safe, single sex spaces for changing, showering, sports or rape support, or anything comparable to it. He could, however, have been speaking about people who force vulnerable women to be locked up with men, or excluded entirely if they won't change, shower or competitively box with them. JKR speaks out for women and girls.

Surely people realise this. And given that they do, what's the motivation for pretending that they don't?

I understand that the term 'cis' is banned on this forum, so no, you can't.

To think that trans people are being oppressed you have to.

What rights are trans people losing… how are they the “Jews” of our modern day society?

More gaslighting and DARVO. When it's actually if you're not part of the feminist-hate-cult, you must be against the feminist hate cult.

if they haven’t got an argument, they’re forced to come up with a lie. Again and again and again.
And the pity is that some will read the lies and accept them as truths.
It might stop when JK starts to sue people, but I wouldn’t
blame her for ignoring the vocal minority and focusing on the majority.

MN actually and actively bans words that don't align with a narrow ideology. Is that really true?

No it's all interlinked. White feminism views white women's issues at the top and its minority people that get pushed to the side.

Take Caster Semenya - there are likely many white intersex female athletes - we don't know since currently the test is not standardised cheek swabs but, does she look like a man? This is where race comes in because the white beauty standard is pervasive, so eyeballing manliness results in ethnic minority women failing the 'is she really a man' test.

These ethnic minorities are then at the receiving end of a very public backlash for matters they often will have had little control over (i.e. Dutee Chand, Khelif) since they will have been raised as a girl since birth. So when race issues and feminism collide, it's not nice to see people like JKR vilifying those who are also victims of racism, a controlling society, and medical failures in the name of protecting women. The issue can be discussed without public humiliation of individuals, and with a nuanced discourse about the other issues such as race at play.

Ah me, I fear he had already tried on his Dumbledore costume and spent the pay check in his head… …

You mean the anti-female misogynistic Gender Ideology cult?

I'm fascinated by the idea of being "radicalised" into believing what everyone on the planet believed until ten years ago, and what everyone still believes unless they spend an inordinate amount of time on the internet.

Name the intersex females that would have failed a cheek swab?

Caster Semenya looks like a man because they are a man with a disorder. Fallon Fox looks like a man, because they are a man who transitioned.

Stop trying to force-team black people with trans people over the idea of oppression.

Semenya is biologically male and was brought up as a boy. He has posted pictures himself as a child which clearly show he wasn't thought of as a girl. He's also admitted he has testicles

Semenya is a man with a male-specific DSD. This isn't remotely in question any more, it's openly verified fact, he's fathered children and even admitted he has testes, while claiming they don't make him less of a woman. He doesn't look like a man because he's black, he looks like a man because he's a man.

You're hurting your cause by continuing to peddle outdated lies. Do you actually want to achieve something?

This may sound like irrelevant pedantry, but I think it's really important to remember that the lines written by Martin Niemoller (not really a poem) don't begin "First they came for the Jews." That's because Niemoller's words are a literal description of what happened when the Nazis came to power, and they didn't come for the Jews first. This is what he wrote:

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me."

The reason I point this out is because it's much easier to understand what happened in Nazi Germany if you grasp that the Nazis attacked the communists and socialists and trade unionists first. They were the people who could have put up a fight against Nazism, so Hitler picked them off first. By the time they came for the Jews, opposition to Nazism was severely weakened.

Incidentally, Niemoller is speaking about himself here - he's not writing some kind of sanctimonious parable. The Nazis really did come for him, and, as he says, there was no one left who could have spoken out for him.

The paradox is you are the one claiming Caster received flak because in your eyes it's about his racial looks. This says more about you than anything. It was his height, lack of hips, philtrum width, male jaw etc that gave it away. Not whether he looked 'masculine' or 'feminine'.

You give away your own racism there.

Scratch a TRA and you'll always find a virulent racist.

Take Caster Semenya - there are likely many white intersex female athletes - we don't know since currently the test is not standardised cheek swabs but, does she look like a man? This is where race comes in because the white beauty standard is pervasive, so eyeballing manliness results in ethnic minority women failing the 'is she really a man' test.

We know Caster Semenya's genotype and DSD.

Caster Semenya is a man with a DSD only found in male people. This has been established beyond all doubt by a court. Imane Khelif is highly likely to have the same DSD. Hope this helps @Christmasmorale

And this is why I hate discussing these issues on mumsnet. White feminists and their failure to have any sort of nuanced discussion on race or feminism shouldn't still shock me but here we are...

Boring man, much like Izzard.

He doesn't get why men with problems should be denied the use of women, or why women's consent should be permitted to interfere with men's desires. He'd quite like to help along those men to get back to non consenting women with their clothes off and no right to say no to them, and that tells you really everything you need to know about him.

The grotty and normalised misogyny of UK society at this point is the petri dish that trans identified men's abuse of women was grown in.

It isn't 'interlinked 'at all.

Men shouldn't compete against women. Women of colour of course can compete against white women .