Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

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I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

History: let's wait and see. And then wait to see again, because it's never static.

GLP: "Vital" campaigns that fail dismally nearly every time.

I also don’t think she’s very talented. Her books are massively overrated and the whole concept was plagiarised from the worst witch books which were actually really good (with female protagonists).

I don’t pay much attention to personalities but I follow the excellent campaigns of the GLP.

I suspect there is simply a campaign to smear this man’s person because he is standing up for trans people.

JKR has donated over a quarter of a billion pounds to various charitable causes.

Jolyon Maugham has lost millions of pounds of ordinary people's money bringing claims which had no hope of success.

@Tandora the right side of history thing……

personally i think she will go down in history as a hero of the feminist movement

and a realist.

but hey ho. How can we know.

i can tell you as a striking miners wife we were according to the press the wrong side of history.

frankly i give no flying fuck about people who think they can know how history will see them,

We are not a history we are a now.

I was about to make a jovial "Grifting, you mean!" post.

But the sad thing is that he is taking money from people who trust him, who don't realise he is grifting them.

Just look at his post about the nonsense toilet "concession". He let transpeople think something had changed. He saw them think that. He let them think that.

But nothing had changed.

And he's supposed to be the good guy?!

JKR spends most of her time on social media bullying trans people, and soends her money promoting transphobic campaigns and trans exclusionary services.

Anyway we are definitely not going to agree on JKR- I think she is a truly awful individual. And yes I do believe that is how she will be remembered in time.

A pregnant transman in possession of a GRC might disagree with you, because but for the SC judgement, that person would have none of the protections afforded to pregnancy and maternity, or a right to have the pregnancy terminated.

(It may seem beyond belief that a woman who believes she is really a man would contemplate pregnancy, but it seems to happen with surprising frequency.)

I'm sorry but to call orphaned children in desperate circumstances and rape victims "transphobic" is gross.

I'm embarrassed to have taken you seriously earlier.

I'm actually appalled at this. What the fuck.

The use of proportionate is the determination of having separate sex services. Separate sex changing rooms are proportionate, separate sex wards, rape crisis, hotels, prisons, they are all proportionate for the purpose of the exemption.

All males are excluded. It's always legal to exclude all of them. It always was. The word proportionate was misused time and time again to insist men had to be included if they identified as women. They claimed it wasn't proportionate and their was no legitimate aim that could exclude them.

It was always a misreading of the act.

Lesbians were always able to have separate sex associations without men. That was always the case but men have bullied all this into the ground with legal threats and confusion for years and you are telling us you believe we went all the way to the Supreme Court to challenge that interpretation and everything that the Supreme Court said simply means, yes, the men were right all along, single sex does mean mixed sex and men can carry on as they were? Bullying everyone into submission?

Seriously?

The ones who plan on using maternity benefits ought to… don’t you agree on that point. Being a feminist wouldn’t that be important to you?

"Our history
The Anne Rowling Clinic was founded by author J.K. Rowling in memory of her mother Anne.

Anne Rowling, born in 1945, was the mother of the author J.K. Rowling, famous for her Harry Potter books. Anne died in 1990 from complications related to multiple sclerosis.

In 2010, when J.K. Rowling reached the age at which her mother died, she donated £10M to the University of Edinburgh to found a clinic in her mother’s name."

Do you think this will go down well in history @Tandora ?
I mean it's only research into MS, obviously not as important as anything Jolyon is doing but maybe history won't be too harsh on her eh?

It not remotely beyond belief to me. There are a lot of realities that seem to be beyond belief to you.. I can understand why, but also I think it’s unnecessary.

Again, I do not think that the SC judgement was entirely unreasonable in the context of what the act currently says - although it was by no means ideal, but the EHRC guidance is truly wild.

I think that will be vastly overshadowed by the obsession she has developed for bullying trans people online and attempting to weaponise her wealth to destroy trans lives which is what she will be most remembered for along with her books.

Aka women only.

Dear me, the fervour is strong.

Oh charming. After I have been genuinely polite to you.

Only by bat shit crazy TRAs so that's not going to be many at all.

But how, if sex means biological sex to ensure transmen have maternity rights and access to abortion services, does that sit with sex means biological sex except for males with trans identities who can do whatever they want?

Are you truly advocating for Transwomen to be treated as female for some purposes but not others? Or do you want single sex services to be mixed sex but discriminate against men without trans identities?

Incoherent was the word used by the SC and they were spot on.

Are you truly advocating for Transwomen to be treated as female for some purposes but not others?
I mean the judgement literally explicitly does this for trans men, so why not trans women too? The reasoning in the judgement isn’t nearly as black and white as the reasoning on this thread. .

Pigeon chess.

Eventually it will be the majority as with growing understanding and acceptwnce of all different types of diversity.

What is this ?
Trans people are literally the opposite sex... from what? From the sex that they are?

Are you claiming this about all trans people? What sex are non-binary people, and what is the opposite sex of that that they also are?

Why do you refuse to accept they are what they say they are - people who feel they have a gender identity that doesn't match their sex?

I mean the judgement literally explicitly does this for trans men, so why not trans women too?

Which specific part of the judgement are you referring to, and how is it relevant to transwomen?

@Tandora The SC assessment of what sex for the purposes of the equality act means was as black and white as it can be.

it stated very specifically that sex means biological sex.

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