Women only tower block being built

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyjyyy2r5eo

What a good idea!

And I assume they mean real women this time- no small print!

I thought that you can't move anyone into social housing without risking your benefits, so it's unlikely anyone will be bringing a boyfriend in to live with them? In a tower block it would be hard to hide it too, I'd imagine.

Not every single parent with an urgent housing need is unemployed and on benefits.
Spend 10 minutes on the relationship board and you'll be overwhelmed with the number of young women with children from a previous relationship who are now in a new relationship. A single mum with secure housing is a #1 target for men seeking security themselves to fall in love with. I'd love the HA to specify criteria that protects the women from being exploited by cocklodgers but I am 100% sure that there will be no such protection.

@RareGoalsVerge sorry I didn't mean single parents, I meant any single person.

I don't think this will suitable housing for parents tbh, I assume they will be one bed apartments.

@RareGoalsVerge it's housing for women. Not housing for parents.

In fact - although their wording isn't watertight - it seems to be intended as housing specifically for non-parents.

And, for what feels like the 57th time, Pioneer have been going for a century and have already got around 1,000 properties, mostly in W London, operating under their rules. This is not their first rodeo.

I can see the block from my (2nd floor) room window. I think it's going to look good when it's finished - better than the previous one, which Pioneer also owned.

I agree they'll need to tweak their eligibility T&C, but it's THEIR block.

I'm confused by this bit in the eligibility criteria (thank you for the Michael Foran links) the image will take a moment. The 'male violence' bit, twaw by their lights so where does the 'male violence' bit come in? This is ignoring that a GRC seems to allow the holder to walk away from their criminal past if they chose not to disclose it. To me their criteria is incoherent.

There is some 'women only' accommodation being opened up North by the Canaan Trust

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly8wnr5x9qo

https://www.canaan-trust.co.uk/

I'm not 100% sure, you never can be in clown world, but I think it's genuinely for women. The information on their site has 'female' all over it, which isn't necessarily a guarantee, and it seems to be a Christian organisation, again not a certainty. The only LGBT a quick perusal could find was helpline numbers. Regardless they seem to be doing good work with helping people in desperate circumstances.

Transgender women (men), including people intending to undergo gender reassignment(men), will be allowed, but men (men)who cross-dress, transgender men(women), and anyone with a known history of male violence against women or children will not.'

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Can't see that surviving a court case.

Edit, or by "Transgender women" do they mean trans identifying woman, ie a woman?

Sounds like exactly the type of place a transwoman would want to live unfortunately.

So you can live here as long as you dont have a male partner. I thought that was a convent

A "women-only" affordable housing scheme in London has said it will accept male-born transgender women on its waiting list.

The 102-flat Brooke House in Ealing will welcome applicants who were born male but now identify as women.

However, transgender men, those born female who now identify as male, cannot apply for the development.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/women-only-block-of-flats-now-accepts-men-who-identify-as-women/ar-AA1SjicA

There was an earlier thread about this project about a year earlier than this one, and we predicted this is what would happen.

Aside from anything else adult children shouldn't be routinely inheriting social housing, especially in London. It'll soon end up mixed.

I've always thought this was a bad idea anyway. Get a bunch of vulnerable women together and a big neon sign advertising it any man who wants to prey on them.

It’s flats, so not really suitable for children to live in.

Don't be ridiculous.

Children - including mine - are being raised in flats/apartments all over the world.

Does them no harm at all. Even helps them to socialise with neighbours and their children they meet on the stairs/go to the same school with.

I can’t see that standing up under the governments proposed Tenants Rights Bill if and when it comes into effect!

Surely that’s illegal under the Equality Act?

Regardless of who's a woman or not, is this kind of thing legal at all? I have to wonder if a developer can build a block of flats and say "Female occupants only" these days. If it were "Male occupants only" I bet there'd be some controversy. Although then it would most likely be for the benefit of gay men, not men generally. Anyway, I wonder if the law lets you have some kind of business activity that isn't inherently related to women or to men, but you offer it to only half of the public.

Disregarding the silliness of allowing transwomen, which will have to be sorted, I I think that if these flats are single occupancy they could work well and be a great place for many women.

My great grandmother and her husband were caretakers for a large property owned by a women's institute (not the one in the UK) which provided rooms for single women. Some were young or middle aged women who were working, but the majority were what were then called spinsters or widows living on small pensions.

And FWIW, I think this model could also work fine for men. Single sex boarding houses used to be really common and to me this is an extension of that.

Yes, if it's a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim.

And if the housing association is a charity, which IIRC it is, its charitable objectives will be legally binding on it.

All right, I'll take your word for it. A few centuries ago it would have been the will of Lady Somebody or other, and she'd have left "a sum to build almshouses for elderly women of the parish". But those days are over.

Leaving aside the more serious issues, anyone want to bet whether the bathroom mirrors will be placed at a height suitable for an average woman or an average builder?

My mother got really nice accommodation from what was a registered Alms House based on something like that.

It was a flat in a converted builking not one of those Alms Houses that look like a model village.

And I am fairly sure that Women's Pioneer was originally based on something like that.

And aimed at the radical idea that single women would go out to work and needed decent housing to come home to.(*)

It is really ridiculous that especially now that the Supreme Court has clarified the being female is based on biology why they are going for this stupid we musn't exclude men.

Its pathetic.

And unless they have change the aims and objectives of the Association not sure they are covered.

But suspect whatever the funding arrangement was, will have been what created this pathetic decision.

(*) In the same way there used to be women's hostels, which weren't some run down seedy back street dump, but somewhere that women travelling on their own, on moving to a city for the first time to get work, would now they had a safe place to returnn to.

re comments about sucession rights - this is a long term practice and is regulated. So not sure why anyone is commenting about it.

Its just another of those things that because the authorities, or rather Tatcher's punitive asset stripping of social housing, have created a shortage so rather than address the shortage everyone thinks those damaged by the shortage should be further cheated.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/council_housing_association/can_you_inherit_a_council_tenancy

I think the issue is that in this scenario, it seemed to go against the purpose of the units to have the tenancy pass on to a male person.

Of course some people don't really think social housing tenancy should ever be passed on. There are valid reasons for that perspective, it's not some kind of far out idea.

My first thought was that the whole place would become a target like when the male prisoners burnt down the women’s prison after raping then all.