What do people get from coming here to 'scold' us?

[CassOle]

My first (not completely serious) thoughts are: their arse handed to them and screenshots.

However, is there more to it?

Why do some long term posters come back again and again with the same arguments that haven't worked before? Do they think that it might work this time?

Then there are the 'my Trans friends are lovely' scolders. Do they really think that we should forget safeguarding, biological reality, single-sex provision etc. becuase they have lovely friends?

Lastly, the thread ploppers. If we are lucky, they might even reply. The one last night might have been getting sexual kicks from it, but we have had other ploppers who just appeared to want to tell us how mean and nasty we are.

None of these (that I have seen) have brought good, well reasoned arguments to back up their points. Maybe that is what causes people to scold and run, or plop and run, as when the arguments cannot stand up to scrutiny (or they have the screenshots), they stop posting.

This then brings me back to the long term posters who are TWAW. I would not like it if they were driven off this board, as it is a public board and as long as the T&C are kept to, they have every right to post. It must be hard posting against the main opinion on any matter, so they must get 'something' from it. Maybe Chris et al will be kind enough to explain this from their point of view?

@L00pyLou I think it’s admirable that you support transpeople. They are a vulnerable group in so far as they are clearly not happy with how they were born. But how do you square that with feminism when it comes to protecting female safety and dignities? Genuine question.

No it's not.

The Groundhog Day article being an exact example of the same article which has been debunked a hundred times over very long threads, and yet gets plopped right back as if this is somehow going to achieve something.

Don't give me that. You snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings.

Surely this should be

'Oh no they don't'

I think 'drive-by scolders' are genuinely shocked by the responses they get. They are conditioned to expect venom bile and hate, and instead they usually get argument and often humour.

Unlike what L00pyLou claims,
the aggression with which posters pile onto any post expressing support for trans people

'aggression' is an unusual - not entirely absent, there are times when posters totally lose it, that's an undeniable fact on any online forum - but usually the responses deploy facts and statistics and examples and verifiable stuff like that, and the scolders just can't cope, and depart with something like
'clearly you are all stuck in your echo chamber, I have better things to do so I bid you all adieu'
rather than engaging in serious debate.

I don't believe in trans ideology, and I have very good, solid, well-researched, verifiable and valid back-up for my rejection of it. If TRAs have equally solid, well-researched, verifiable and valid back-up for their belief that humans can change sex, bring it on!

But TRAs must expect those sources to be examined as closely as we examine the ones we rely on for our arguments - and I think that's when a lot of the TRA visitors panic and push the 'echo chamber/pile on/better things to do with my time/haters/hypocrites/bigots/so long/farewell/auf wiedersehen/goodbye/ button.

Sorry is this a 5 minute argument and a full half an hour?

Why do you “debate” if you don’t think you can convince anyone? Genuine question. Have you asked yourself why no one is buying your opinion? It sounds like you think it’s our fault. I have never heard anything that’s ever convinced me to see a group of men as women. Why should I? What’s the rationale?

Loopy, what if supporting trans people means saying “no”?

No, you can’t change sex, I’m sorry, it’s not possible.

No, the drugs and surgeries come with complications and side effects which are awful.

No, we won’t pretend and indulge in your delusion - the only time that is ethical is when dealing with with someone who has eg dementia and we distract and move on.

These people are distressed, some of them are porn addled but my focus is on the people who are genuinely distressed.

why can’t we be truthful with them and manage their distress through psychotherapy not global stats and promises we can’t keep?

sometiems “no” is kind.

@theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw

@SlackJawedDisbeliefXY

You win 😂

Sure Jan.

I think it's probably this as well. Along with more of their life than is healthy existing online, maybe because affirmation is easier online for obvious reasons and or mental health issues.

I think Tbf @MarieDeGournay i have definitely been aggressive at times but then I think that’s OK when the “but inteeerrseeex” ‘gotcha’ appears for the eleventy billionth time, I’m only human 😆

I’ve never held up a sign suggesting trans people be punched or decapitated though 🤔

Exactly.

😂 I miss the laugh button

Why do you “debate” if you don’t think you can convince anyone?

It is a religion, a belief system, you can't convince a true believer away from their religion.

Equally, you can't compel a non-believer to act as an extra in your religion.

Great post @MarieDeGournay

(although I now have the Sound of Music stuck in my head for the rest of the day...)

I wish these people were more honest about it.

Screen shots and brownie points probably.

Yep, expecting Bill Murray to pop up any second.

Thanks for the scold.

yep

So I might be showing my naivety here - I sent somw questions to the MTF person who wanted an honest discussion. I didn't go back until now and the thread has been reported and deleted- is this what you mean? Did it all go bad?

It took me ages to type out on my phone so cross now.

Apparently, in Japan they don't have gendered pronouns we were told. As if that was relevant on a thread on an English website.

It was a reminder, though, that school is out on holiday for some people.

Oh, I feel like I've missed out on something here! Would have liked to have seen the interaction.

They do have masculinised and feminised forms of speech in Japan though. Maybe the poster could start a thread on that if they want to educate us?