What do people get from coming here to 'scold' us?

[CassOle]

My first (not completely serious) thoughts are: their arse handed to them and screenshots.

However, is there more to it?

Why do some long term posters come back again and again with the same arguments that haven't worked before? Do they think that it might work this time?

Then there are the 'my Trans friends are lovely' scolders. Do they really think that we should forget safeguarding, biological reality, single-sex provision etc. becuase they have lovely friends?

Lastly, the thread ploppers. If we are lucky, they might even reply. The one last night might have been getting sexual kicks from it, but we have had other ploppers who just appeared to want to tell us how mean and nasty we are.

None of these (that I have seen) have brought good, well reasoned arguments to back up their points. Maybe that is what causes people to scold and run, or plop and run, as when the arguments cannot stand up to scrutiny (or they have the screenshots), they stop posting.

This then brings me back to the long term posters who are TWAW. I would not like it if they were driven off this board, as it is a public board and as long as the T&C are kept to, they have every right to post. It must be hard posting against the main opinion on any matter, so they must get 'something' from it. Maybe Chris et al will be kind enough to explain this from their point of view?

’trans euphoria’

Some people just like an argument. For whatever reason.

I imagine TRAs who are male and want to identify as women get something out of including themselves in a women’s thread, a women’s space.

I think they just enjoy telling women off. They get a little thrill out of upsetting women or making us frustrated. So they'll fly by here, all excited at the prospect of getting a reaction and then fly off, feeling smug that they put us in our place.
I don't think it matters what we say. They just enjoy the power play of a finger wag.

Most arrive here due to the forum's notoreity....armed with low expectations and a misunderstanding of the issues and the position of people who post here. They under-estimate, very badly, the intelligence, experience and commitment of people here....we all just become a 'karen'....a caricature of what they most dislike about older women and/or their mother's generation.

They are not used to serious debate with evidenced thinking involving critical thought processes...they are used to the cosiness of group think and being in the 'right' tribe.

One or two older men think they can outsmart anyone here, and in doing so display their disrespect for women, and also their heightened desire to forever push the boundaries in pursuit of what it is they covet.

I think they’re on here because they expect to reach newcomers to bring them to their side using the #bekind tactic. They really do not understand that newcomers might be first time Mums whose primal instinct is centred on the safeguarding of children. It’s very telling that the men who come on here (and yes we can tell they are men) are focused on trans-identifying adult males, but these really are never the focus of this website. Unless there are threads about domestic abuse.
i do think they’re get their kicks out of being here. We are just another space they like invading. I suspect we’ll see more and more of this since the Supreme Court ruling where they’re told very clearly that they can’t invade our single sex spaces anymore.

I think the long term returners are men who just like telling women off 🤷🏻‍♀️ and who may have a humiliation kink

They hate the fact women exist that aren't obedient. We are supposed to put our needs at the bottom of the pile.

Or not even in the pile.

If we don't shut up and Be Kind (which is nothing to do with being kind) then we must be punished.

Or murdered, if we are to believe the threats they make.

They get gratification. Whether it is the negative feedback they want (for a whole slew of reasons) or whether it is the joy of them feeling they are better than the people they are scolding, or any of the other reasons. If there is no actual engagement or contribution other than that negative reaction, then it is not to reach an understanding.

When someone tells you they won’t answer unless you use their demanded words, they are telling you straight away that this is about power. And then when they immediately start talking about sex acts, they are telling us they are on this board to violate women’s boundaries. Last night was not surprising.

I have no bloody idea!
I was wondering yesterday after an interesting but ultimately frustrating aibu thread, whether to start a thread asking TRAs to explain and back up their position and 'educate me'....Because they never even try. I have not once seen a properly evidenced response to any points raised.
I wonder whether it's because those tactics (just keep repeating how sad you are because terfs are bigoted and you're basically the modern equivalent of Rosa Parks) work for the young on tiktok? It's basically propaganda.

Maybe they just want to put the other side forward. Have a debate? Make people think?

Then they'd debate. But they don't.

I would genuinely welcome proper debate, ie honest, measured, evidenced, logical. I would absolutely accept that it would be extremely difficult for a TRA to change my mind, but I would genuinely appreciate it if someone tried.

if only!! Instead “the other side” is

• why can’t you just be kind?
• but intersex!!!
• TW have been using women’s spaces forever and you never noticed
• TW are women you big meanies

all of which are rebutted over and over again with facts and evidence only to be brought back on the rinse and repeat cycle

I mean in some ways it’s no biggie because getting to explain over and over why men being allowed in whatever women’s spaces they feel like isn’t a great idea is very useful for us

operation let them speak is akways the most effective tactic

A decent percentage will be typing one handed.

None of these (that I have seen) have brought good, well reasoned arguments to back up their points. Maybe that is what causes people to scold and run, or plop and run,

There are no good, well reasoned arguments to strip women of their rights so they just rage post and insult the women on here, it is attack as a form of defence because they know damn well they have nothing.

Validation of their victimhood/righteous outrage/persecution complex. And screenshots.

I think of them as one and the same as those religious nutjobs that stand on street corners with a sound system and tell everyone that the lord is coming.
Same meaningless message. Same public nuisance.

You didn't see the thread last night, I guess, which is part of what made OP ask the question. I hope without making this a TAAT it's ok to say: the poster who started the thread claimed to want to have a civil discussion, said they were willing to answer questions provided nobody referred to the poster as "he", never responded to an invitation to ask questions himself, made a total of 3 posts, within which he was already writing sexually, and deleted his account.

I think TRAs have drawn the short straw because it's certainly difficult to work out what they could say considering that science, social science and legal precedent are all in favour of women's rights.
I think the incels and the fundamentalist religious 'right' actually have an easier argument to make, being at least based on honesty: ie they are open about their belief that women are lesser.
If I was a TRA, I'd swap to incel instead. There's a bigger market for that.

They like the attention.

Like other posters, I've come to the conclusion that at least some of them mainly do it because they enjoy the attention. It's why I no longer respond.

I'm the same. I've been looking for measured and logical justification of their position since 2017. I haven't seen it yet.

I actually welcome some of those posters. It provides an opportunity to present GC facts and logic for people who might be new to the issue or to lurkers. It also proves that FWR isn't an "echo chamber", however many times the genderists like to call it that, because their posts are always left to stand (unless they're personally insulting).

But it's irritating when the "debate" descends quickly into "no...YOU" because they have no arguments.

I didn't see the thread last night so thanks to PP for explaining what happened there.

I suspect they think "Right, I'm going to sort out these stupid Mums/Karens/bigots!" they turn up with some demands thinking they are right, then find out they can't handle the level of argument and back out?

They're basically the same thing, so a swap would be relatively easy I guess