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NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

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KnottyAuty · 12/06/2025 20:57

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1
Thread #2:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.

We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness.

As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!?

Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

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FarriersGirl · 10/07/2025 16:52

Mipe · 10/07/2025 16:06

@FarriersGirl I have just submitted Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust so I'm ready for the next one 😀

That's great thank you. Next on the list is Liverpool Women's NHS Foundation Trust. In theory this only treats women....!

Peregrina · 10/07/2025 18:38

Next on the list is Liverpool Women's NHS Foundation Trust. In theory this only treats women....!

What do they do when a TiM rocks up demanding to be treated?

LadyElaine · 10/07/2025 19:31

I have submitted Cheshire and Wirral Partnership.

Their website’s mental health section for children links out to a group called LevelUp.

One of the articles in their About Us section offers the tip from a fellow kid that if you feel like you don’t belong, maybe you’re trans.

"For as long as I can remember I never really felt like I belonged anywhere. Growing up as an undiagnosed neurodiverse person in a neurotypical world created a whole array of issues for my developing mind, and just to complicate my identity further I knew that the body I was born into didn’t match the way I felt on the inside. Navigating the world as a trans kid with autism was inexplicably difficult, I struggled deeply to find the motivation for life that everyone else around me seemed to have so effortlessly."

https://www.levelupcm.nhs.uk/about-us/our-news/turning-trauma-change-childrens-mental-health-awareness-week-3-9-feb

Turning the trauma into change - Children’s Mental Health Awareness Week (3-9 Feb) - Expert by Experience article :: Cheshire and Wirral Partnership NHS Foundation Trust

https://www.levelupcm.nhs.uk/about-us/our-news/turning-trauma-change-childrens-mental-health-awareness-week-3-9-feb

teawamutu · 10/07/2025 22:28

@FarriersGirl confirming Blackpool submitted. Didn't have any mention of single sex accommodation on the website, reasonably standard; when you get it, courtesy of @SeaStoat, it actually mentions that People of Gender get to have their preference. This is unusual and possibly why it's not on the website any more?

SeaStoat · 11/07/2025 00:24

" People of Gender" .... really? I have no words.....

FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 06:57

teawamutu · 10/07/2025 22:28

@FarriersGirl confirming Blackpool submitted. Didn't have any mention of single sex accommodation on the website, reasonably standard; when you get it, courtesy of @SeaStoat, it actually mentions that People of Gender get to have their preference. This is unusual and possibly why it's not on the website any more?

Thank you - "People of Gender" sounds like a term from a bad sci-fi story.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 07:01

FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 06:57

Thank you - "People of Gender" sounds like a term from a bad sci-fi story.

They use "People of Gender" because "Gendered People" is considered offensive cf. "Coloured People".😀

teawamutu · 11/07/2025 07:04

To clarify, PoG wasn't actually in the documents, just CBA to type out the whole list!

But basically every person with a speshul identity gets to choose and women have to stfu. This one really irritated me.

FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 09:18

@YellowRoom Can you do Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust next. Thank you

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 11/07/2025 14:33

@umbel, this is going back a bit, but do you have a downloaded copy of the “Affirming Gender Identity in the Workplace” document for Sheffield Health and Social Care?

umbel · 11/07/2025 14:50

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 11/07/2025 14:33

@umbel, this is going back a bit, but do you have a downloaded copy of the “Affirming Gender Identity in the Workplace” document for Sheffield Health and Social Care?

@TwoLoonsAndASprout I have indeed. Where would you like me to send it?

YellowRoom · 11/07/2025 15:45

Hullo, I've submitted Manchester University Hospitals.

The Trans Patient Policy is unusual in even considering that other patients may have issues with sharing with a trans person of the opposite sex.

The Trust hosts a children and young people's gender service
'This will be a fundamentally different service to what was offered previously and brings the expertise of two specialist children’s hospitals, mental health services and other local services together to provide the care recommended by Dr Cass.'

'The Trust has reprioritised the original commitment and is now working towards achieving Gold Status in the Rainbow Badge Accreditation Scheme.'

In 2024, the Trust partnered with Sparkle - The National Transgender Charity.
This is Sparkle's re puberty blockers:
'We are saddened and disappointed to see that the High Court upholds the ban on puberty blockers...
Puberty blockers is a medication used for many years, yet has only been deemed unsafe for a minority group of people: trans young people. The medication is still being used for cisgender children, such as in the case of precocious puberty. We echo TransActual's point - if a medication is unsafe for patients to the point it must be banned, it should be banned for everyone.
Like others, we are concerned that this ban has followed the Cass Review, which has since been widely discredited by those in the medical field and from LGBTQ+ organisations.
Trans and gender diverse youth deserve access to timely healthcare, including puberty blockers.
Sparkle will continue to work with Manchester University Foundation NHS Trust, to ensure trans patients are treated with dignity and respect when accessing medical care.
We would like to thank TransActual and The Good Law Project for their continued efforts...'

And Sparkle re Supreme Court Ruling:
'Today’s Supreme Court ruling has left many in our community, especially trans women, feeling shaken, dismissed and disheartened. Once again, identity and our bodies, hearts and minds used in basic language and being debated instead of respected, rationalised and upheld.
We see the pain and uncertainty this causes, and we hold space for it.
Legal definitions may change, but our love, support and recognition of trans women does not. Trans women are women. That truth stands, no matter what.
This ruling was made without hearing from a single transgender organisation. Our voices, our lives, and our realities were not represented and that speaks volumes about the harm still embedded in our systems.
We see our trans siblings as absolutely valid. We love, respect and uplift trans women and our trans masculine and AFAB siblings. We see you, we love you, and we will fight for you too.
If today feels heavy, please remember you are not alone. You are seen, loved and needed. We will continue to stand beside you, fight for justice and build a future where trans lives are celebrated, not questioned.
We will with other organisations unpick, note take, challenge and push forward not only the ruling today but also the subsequent changes as and when they come, with absolute conviction.
We are voluntary led, and we feel this today as many of you do. So today of all days, be angry, be upset, but be kind to yourself and take up space in the world.'

'LGBTQ+/Pride Boards are prominently displayed on wards to foster an inclusive environment!'
'Children of staff members joined the (Pride) parade, receiving positive feedback, including a heartfelt message from a child of a pansexual parent.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 11/07/2025 15:56

umbel · 11/07/2025 14:50

@TwoLoonsAndASprout I have indeed. Where would you like me to send it?

DMed you!

FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 17:43

Really good start to the NW vipers - here are the "scores on the doors"

Acute trusts

Blackpool Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - teawamutu
Bolton NHS Foundation Trust -teawamutu
Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - cantunseeit
East Cheshire NHS Trust - cantunseeit
East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust - cantunseeit
Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - mipe
Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - withsilverbells
Liverpool Women’s NHS Foundation Trust - mipe
Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust - yellowroom
Mid Cheshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey and West Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
Stockport NHS Foundation Trust
Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust - LadyElaine
Warrington and Halton Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral University Teaching Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust

Ambulance trust
North West Ambulance Service NHS Trust - Yellowroom

Community and mental health trusts

Bridgewater Community Healthcare NHS Trust - cantunseeit
Cheshire and Wirral Partnership NHS Foundation Trust - LadyElaine
Greater Manchester Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust
Lancashire and South Cumbria NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey Care NHS Foundation Trust
Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral Community NHS Foundation Trust

Specialist trusts

Alder Hey Children’s Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Liverpool Heart and Chest NHS Foundation Trust
The Christie NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
The Clatterbridge Cancer Centre NHS Foundation Trust
The Walton Centre NHS Foundation Trust

KnottyAuty · 11/07/2025 17:52

FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 17:43

Really good start to the NW vipers - here are the "scores on the doors"

Acute trusts

Blackpool Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - teawamutu
Bolton NHS Foundation Trust -teawamutu
Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - cantunseeit
East Cheshire NHS Trust - cantunseeit
East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust - cantunseeit
Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - mipe
Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - withsilverbells
Liverpool Women’s NHS Foundation Trust - mipe
Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust - yellowroom
Mid Cheshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey and West Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
Stockport NHS Foundation Trust
Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust - LadyElaine
Warrington and Halton Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral University Teaching Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust

Ambulance trust
North West Ambulance Service NHS Trust - Yellowroom

Community and mental health trusts

Bridgewater Community Healthcare NHS Trust - cantunseeit
Cheshire and Wirral Partnership NHS Foundation Trust - LadyElaine
Greater Manchester Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust
Lancashire and South Cumbria NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey Care NHS Foundation Trust
Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral Community NHS Foundation Trust

Specialist trusts

Alder Hey Children’s Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Liverpool Heart and Chest NHS Foundation Trust
The Christie NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
The Clatterbridge Cancer Centre NHS Foundation Trust
The Walton Centre NHS Foundation Trust

Thanks so much to all the auditors - you are doing a great job and whipping through these trust sooo fast now! Also a big shout out to the fantastic thread wrangling of @FarriersGirl - so organised and on top of things thank you! And last but defo not least @TwoLoonsAndASprout who behind the scenes has done a huge amount of sorting and downloading to extract all the results from Jotform so we are bang up to date after I fell behind. It really looks like we will have completed all the auditing by the time Sandie's hearing re-starts - which I have to say seemed a big ask when we started. Amazing work!!

I'm going to do my best to do all the finally wrapping up and counting to get scores on the doors for the last few regions by early next week. So any thoughts on suggested articles for the WHOLE of England would be greatly appreciated! Well done all - so proud of you!

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FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 18:07

I'd just like to add one thing Knotty. This whole idea of yours was born of the Sandie Peggie tribunal part 1. We are close to completing a huge dataset that will be a unique and valuable resource. This is really the last push. Next week when the tribunal resumes it will be an opportunity to use some of the downtime {as the court never seems to start on time} to crack through a trust or two, I will be doing that. So lovely vipers instead of tucking into popcorn or too many Tunnocks pick up a trust and we will get this finished!!

<gets off soapbox>

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 11/07/2025 18:10

FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 18:07

I'd just like to add one thing Knotty. This whole idea of yours was born of the Sandie Peggie tribunal part 1. We are close to completing a huge dataset that will be a unique and valuable resource. This is really the last push. Next week when the tribunal resumes it will be an opportunity to use some of the downtime {as the court never seems to start on time} to crack through a trust or two, I will be doing that. So lovely vipers instead of tucking into popcorn or too many Tunnocks pick up a trust and we will get this finished!!

<gets off soapbox>

Or indeed, as you are all amazing and multi-talented, pick up a trust while tucking into a Tunnocks!

But more seriously, you are all amazing vipers and the best group project partners ever.

Cantunseeit · 11/07/2025 20:21

Ahhh thanks @KnottyAuty and @TwoLoonsAndASprout - its a fantastically well managed project with amazing results already (hopefully more to come once we have done all the Trusts. V glad to be part of it

Came on to post this link - I'm doing some digging to try and find Countess of Chester policies (which they are currently withholding in the FOI process) and came across this treasure trove of "best practice". One for the archive I think

Policies and Guidance on Trans Inclusive Healthcare – TransActual

Policies and Guidance on Trans Inclusive Healthcare – TransActual

https://transactual.org.uk/trans-policies-health/

Cantunseeit · 11/07/2025 20:33

@TwoLoonsAndASprout I have submitted Countess of Chester with what I have found so far (not much but enough to suggest that they are not outliers!).

I have had a go at the wayback machine but I don't think I am using it properly - I didn't come up with anything useful at any rate - others may have better skills.

It's possible the Trust will share its pre-SC policies as @SeaStoat is on their case - so I'll go back and have another look as we near the end and if so, create a new page with any new info. Hope that's OK?

@FarriersGirl in the meantime I can take another couple 🙏

Blackmetallic · 11/07/2025 21:08

FarriersGirl · 11/07/2025 17:43

Really good start to the NW vipers - here are the "scores on the doors"

Acute trusts

Blackpool Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - teawamutu
Bolton NHS Foundation Trust -teawamutu
Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - cantunseeit
East Cheshire NHS Trust - cantunseeit
East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust - cantunseeit
Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - mipe
Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - withsilverbells
Liverpool Women’s NHS Foundation Trust - mipe
Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust - yellowroom
Mid Cheshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey and West Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
Stockport NHS Foundation Trust
Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust - LadyElaine
Warrington and Halton Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral University Teaching Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust

Ambulance trust
North West Ambulance Service NHS Trust - Yellowroom

Community and mental health trusts

Bridgewater Community Healthcare NHS Trust - cantunseeit
Cheshire and Wirral Partnership NHS Foundation Trust - LadyElaine
Greater Manchester Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust
Lancashire and South Cumbria NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey Care NHS Foundation Trust
Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral Community NHS Foundation Trust

Specialist trusts

Alder Hey Children’s Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Liverpool Heart and Chest NHS Foundation Trust
The Christie NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
The Clatterbridge Cancer Centre NHS Foundation Trust
The Walton Centre NHS Foundation Trust

Just to say I took Pennine Care (mental health trust)

YellowRoom · 11/07/2025 21:10

I can take another x

FarriersGirl · 12/07/2025 07:45

@Cantunseeit Morning! Next up Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust and Alder Hey Children's Hospital. Thank you.

FarriersGirl · 12/07/2025 07:47

YellowRoom · 11/07/2025 21:10

I can take another x

Morning! Next for you is Mersey and West Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust. Thank you

Opinionpolecat · 12/07/2025 07:53

FarriersGirl · 10/07/2025 16:47

@TwoLoonsAndASprout Your query on the DM should be answered by the post above. If not let me know.

I've submitted University Hospitals Dorset NHS Foundation Trust.

This weekend and next are pretty busy, but if you still need volunteers after that I'm here!

edit - quoted the wrong post somehow!

WithSilverBells · 12/07/2025 16:41

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 12:34

Thank you Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust please. Link to follow

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