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NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

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KnottyAuty · 12/06/2025 20:57

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1
Thread #2:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.

We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness.

As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!?

Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

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Blackmetallic · 06/07/2025 23:14

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/07/2025 22:35

Don’t worry - we can sort! Also, apparently if you back arrow on your browser it might restore what you’ve already entered.

Hi, thank you - I've submitted the second jotform - I tried back arrowing and using the history tab but couldn't retrieve the info from the first form. Hopefully you will be able to merge the two forms?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/07/2025 23:21

Blackmetallic · 06/07/2025 23:14

Hi, thank you - I've submitted the second jotform - I tried back arrowing and using the history tab but couldn't retrieve the info from the first form. Hopefully you will be able to merge the two forms?

Yes, absolutely no problem!

Blackmetallic · 06/07/2025 23:34

Submitted Avon and Wiltshire Partnership (a mental health trust).
There wasn't much available on the website but thanks to Ermine I was able to find the local "Supporting Trans People Toolkit" which the then-CCG had commissioned from a local anti-discrimination organisation called SARI.

“The organisation Stand Against Racism and Inequality (SARI) was commissioned to produce the toolkit, working in close partnership with a range of transgender people, clinicians and stakeholders from across the South West who comprise the document’s working group.
The group have reported that in producing the toolkit, multiple organisations including mental health, learning and disability hospitals, acute hospital trusts, voluntary organisation, LGBT+ organisation and support groups, equalities specialists and a housing support organisation had either been consulted, written a section of the document or reviewed the draft.” (Quote from CCG Equality Impact Assessment)

Following the CCG "adopting" this toolkit there was what seems to have been an outcry from concerned clinicians, women's groups and members of the public due to the wording of the toolkit, the lack of statistics to back up the claims made in the toolkit and the negative impact on other protected characteristics. The clinicians wrote an excellent letter to the CCG which I have uploaded to the Jotform. The CCG had to backtrack and hold two meetings, one with the clinicians and one with the women's groups/members of the public, following which they issued an equality impact assessment at CCG level stating negative impacts on the protected characteristics of age, religion/belief, disability and sex. They said that 13 areas of the toolkit needed to be revised and rewritten before it could be re-approved by the CCG. The equality impact assessment was difficult to find - it was not released to Ermine but once I knew it was available through the CCG/ICB I was able to find it in the archives

The revised toolkit still contains paragraphs such as:

"Providing education to other service users in a ward to
prevent ignorant or transphobic comments is, if successful,
a better solution than having to protect or isolate the trans
service user, but please note that disclosing that someone is
transgender without their consent may be unlawful. Always
seek further advice if you are unsure about information
sharing."

but they did remove a comment relating to young people reporting gender dysphoria - which urged assessment/treatment/referral/affirmation rather than watchful waiting, because "Doing Nothing CAUSES HARM" (in capital letters)

The toolkit is not an official Trust policy but it seems to be treated as such and was stated in the FoI response as being part of the transgender patient policy/single sex accommodation policy

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 07:14

Morning lovely vipers - another week, another NHS region! The North West is our last English region and it is a big one so all help welcome. Don't forget that you need a new link which I will send out on the DM once your first trust is allocated.

@teawamutu could you take the first 2 acute trusts Blackpool and Bolton. Thank you

Acute trusts

Blackpool Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Bolton NHS Foundation Trust
Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
East Cheshire NHS Trust
East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust
Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Liverpool Women’s NHS Foundation Trust
Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust
Mid Cheshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey and West Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
Stockport NHS Foundation Trust
Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust
Warrington and Halton Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral University Teaching Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust

Ambulance trust
North West Ambulance Service NHS Trust

Community and mental health trusts

Bridgewater Community Healthcare NHS Trust
Cheshire and Wirral Partnership NHS Foundation Trust
Greater Manchester Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust
Lancashire and South Cumbria NHS Foundation Trust
Mersey Care NHS Foundation Trust
Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust
Wirral Community NHS Foundation Trust

Specialist trusts

Alder Hey Children’s Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Liverpool Heart and Chest NHS Foundation Trust
The Christie NHS Foundation Trust
The Clatterbridge Cancer Centre NHS Foundation Trust
The Walton Centre NHS Foundation Trust

Blackmetallic · 07/07/2025 07:26

@FarriersGirl thank you for the new list, please could I take Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust?

Cantunseeit · 07/07/2025 08:22

Thank you! Happy to take several (to avoid coming back for more) maybe four to start with?

Mipe · 07/07/2025 09:56

@FarriersGirl I have submitted Sirona Health and Care (nothing interesting) so I'm ready to join in with the NW 😀

teawamutu · 07/07/2025 10:19

Thank you, @FarriersGirl - on it.

LadyElaine · 07/07/2025 10:42

@FarriersGirl Good morning! I would love to have a trust allocated to me along with instructions. Don’t care which, but I am in Cumbria, if it makes a difference.

WithSilverBells · 07/07/2025 10:48

I'll take one please @FarriersGirl

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 12:17

Blackmetallic · 07/07/2025 07:26

@FarriersGirl thank you for the new list, please could I take Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust?

Its all yours thank you. New link to follow shortly

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 12:22

Cantunseeit · 07/07/2025 08:22

Thank you! Happy to take several (to avoid coming back for more) maybe four to start with?

That is really good of you -
Countess of Chester Hospital
East Cheshire NHS Trust
East Lancashire Hospitals
Bridgewater Community Health NHS Trust

New link to come over in a bit

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 12:24

Mipe · 07/07/2025 09:56

@FarriersGirl I have submitted Sirona Health and Care (nothing interesting) so I'm ready to join in with the NW 😀

Thank you - Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust. Link to follow

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 12:32

LadyElaine · 07/07/2025 10:42

@FarriersGirl Good morning! I would love to have a trust allocated to me along with instructions. Don’t care which, but I am in Cumbria, if it makes a difference.

Much of Cumbria we have done as it falls under NHS North East and Yorkshire however part of the county comes under University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay if you can give that one a go. You will get a link on the DM in a while and that form contains most of the instructions, hints and tips.

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 12:34

WithSilverBells · 07/07/2025 10:48

I'll take one please @FarriersGirl

Thank you Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust please. Link to follow

YellowRoom · 07/07/2025 15:43

I've submitted South Western Ambulance - tons of Stonewall, Rainbow Badge, Pride stuff but couldn't find any actual policies.

Maternity Policy provided as part of the evidence given to Stonewall - 'pregnant' replaced by 'expecting' and 'mother' replaced by 'birthing parent'.

The South Western Ambulance Service LGBT Network was formed in 2014. In June 2022 there has been a change to the committee and structure. Moving to a name that also includes people who identify as queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, allies; becoming the SWASFT LGBTQIA+ Network.

Handy presentation of achievements includes:
2017 Rainbow and Trans badges started
2019 New DCA with rainbow decals for Pride events within SWAST. Trans Z card added to the JRCALC app
2018/19 assessment results for all the ambulance trusts - I'm assuming Stonewall assessment but not sure

Supreme Court ruling
'Together with the LGBT+ Staff Network and Women’s Network, SWASFT would like to reassure all trans colleagues and patients that we are here for you. While we don’t currently know what the ruling may mean in terms of any national changes to policy, we will work with our trans colleagues to understand any such changes and take great care to recognise the impact this may have on you.'

Supreme Court ruling - National Ambulance LGBT+ Network response shared on Trust's website
'Today’s judgement by the UK Supreme Court, ruling that ‘woman’ means those biologically born female, is a surprise and backwards step for those committed to progressing diversity and inclusion.'
'The National Ambulance LGBT+ Network is proud of the work it has undertaken in the last ten years to help make services safer and more supportive for trans staff and patients... We have done this with the unwavering support of the Association of Ambulance Chief Executives (AACE) and individual Ambulance Trust senior management teams...'

Please could I have a NW Trust

Peregrina · 07/07/2025 17:56

'Today’s judgement by the UK Supreme Court, ruling that ‘woman’ means those biologically born female, is a surprise and backwards step for those committed to progressing diversity and inclusion.'

This is just so stupid. How is stating a fact a backward step? If the Supreme Court had ruled that it was now open season for discriminating against transactivists then that might be the case, but the judgement went out of its way to say that they were still protected.

What about diversity and inclusion for other protected groups? Silence, I expect.

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 18:14

Thanks @YellowRoom would you like the ambulance trust seeing you have done most of them? North West just has the one.

Cantunseeit · 07/07/2025 19:36

I've had a quick look at Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust but they seem to be considering a reverse ferret and have wiped their website of incriminating evidence (or never had any in the first place).

@SeaStoat is doing sterling work holding them to account on the FOI front but nothing yet to get our teeth into.

I will come back to this one at the end by which point we may have the previous policy (pulled as a result of the SC ruling) to look at.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 07/07/2025 19:56

Cantunseeit · 07/07/2025 19:36

I've had a quick look at Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust but they seem to be considering a reverse ferret and have wiped their website of incriminating evidence (or never had any in the first place).

@SeaStoat is doing sterling work holding them to account on the FOI front but nothing yet to get our teeth into.

I will come back to this one at the end by which point we may have the previous policy (pulled as a result of the SC ruling) to look at.

Is it worth looking at the wayback machine or similar?

FarriersGirl · 07/07/2025 20:00

Cantunseeit · 07/07/2025 19:36

I've had a quick look at Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust but they seem to be considering a reverse ferret and have wiped their website of incriminating evidence (or never had any in the first place).

@SeaStoat is doing sterling work holding them to account on the FOI front but nothing yet to get our teeth into.

I will come back to this one at the end by which point we may have the previous policy (pulled as a result of the SC ruling) to look at.

Given the huge amount of damaging press coverage recently I suspect they have wiped everything and will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the Information Commissioner.

Cantunseeit · 07/07/2025 21:36

Yes, I will look at archives if nothing comes through on the FOI - last correspondence dated 4 July - so hoping they may provide the old policies before resorting to the wayback machine

KnottyAuty · 07/07/2025 22:10

@LadyElaine I've DM'd you a link. Let us know if you have any questions. Thanks

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KnottyAuty · 07/07/2025 22:12

YellowRoom · 07/07/2025 15:43

I've submitted South Western Ambulance - tons of Stonewall, Rainbow Badge, Pride stuff but couldn't find any actual policies.

Maternity Policy provided as part of the evidence given to Stonewall - 'pregnant' replaced by 'expecting' and 'mother' replaced by 'birthing parent'.

The South Western Ambulance Service LGBT Network was formed in 2014. In June 2022 there has been a change to the committee and structure. Moving to a name that also includes people who identify as queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, allies; becoming the SWASFT LGBTQIA+ Network.

Handy presentation of achievements includes:
2017 Rainbow and Trans badges started
2019 New DCA with rainbow decals for Pride events within SWAST. Trans Z card added to the JRCALC app
2018/19 assessment results for all the ambulance trusts - I'm assuming Stonewall assessment but not sure

Supreme Court ruling
'Together with the LGBT+ Staff Network and Women’s Network, SWASFT would like to reassure all trans colleagues and patients that we are here for you. While we don’t currently know what the ruling may mean in terms of any national changes to policy, we will work with our trans colleagues to understand any such changes and take great care to recognise the impact this may have on you.'

Supreme Court ruling - National Ambulance LGBT+ Network response shared on Trust's website
'Today’s judgement by the UK Supreme Court, ruling that ‘woman’ means those biologically born female, is a surprise and backwards step for those committed to progressing diversity and inclusion.'
'The National Ambulance LGBT+ Network is proud of the work it has undertaken in the last ten years to help make services safer and more supportive for trans staff and patients... We have done this with the unwavering support of the Association of Ambulance Chief Executives (AACE) and individual Ambulance Trust senior management teams...'

Please could I have a NW Trust

This is so depressing to read. How much do they hate women?

Supreme Court ruling - National Ambulance LGBT+ Network response shared on Trust's website
'Today’s judgement by the UK Supreme Court, ruling that ‘woman’ means those biologically born female, is a surprise and backwards step for those committed to progressing diversity and inclusion.'

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LadyElaine · 08/07/2025 22:41

I have submitted University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay and could take another if there are still some left.