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NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

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KnottyAuty · 12/06/2025 20:57

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1
Thread #2:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.

We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness.

As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!?

Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

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teawamutu · 01/07/2025 17:35

This is what AI thinks the vipers of the Ermine Research Group look like 😁

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3
TwoLoonsAndASprout · 02/07/2025 09:58

teawamutu · 01/07/2025 17:35

This is what AI thinks the vipers of the Ermine Research Group look like 😁

This is delightful! And makes me think it’s time to share something that I’ve been working on. It still needs a bit of tidying, but the plan is to make it into a pin and send it out to all the audit vipers. The logistics of distribution are obviously tricky, so if any of you have ideas in that regard, please DM me.

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3
TwoLoonsAndASprout · 02/07/2025 09:58

(Give the image a second to load…)

teawamutu · 02/07/2025 10:16

Ohhhh I LOVE it!

Distribution first thought: does it have to be a pin? Because if you can share artwork we could get it put on totes or t-shirts or anything we liked...

teawamutu · 02/07/2025 10:28

Also I asked for another go at the image: more businesslike, incorporate Mumsnet, put the ermine's tail on the right side of her body.

Not as cute, but I quite like the 'taking over the world' vibe.

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3
FarriersGirl · 02/07/2025 13:35

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 02/07/2025 09:58

(Give the image a second to load…)

I really really want one - love the art work idea from tea!!

KnottyAuty · 02/07/2025 14:01

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 02/07/2025 09:58

This is delightful! And makes me think it’s time to share something that I’ve been working on. It still needs a bit of tidying, but the plan is to make it into a pin and send it out to all the audit vipers. The logistics of distribution are obviously tricky, so if any of you have ideas in that regard, please DM me.

You are so talented 🥰😍🤩😎

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KnottyAuty · 02/07/2025 14:08

teawamutu · 02/07/2025 10:28

Also I asked for another go at the image: more businesslike, incorporate Mumsnet, put the ermine's tail on the right side of her body.

Not as cute, but I quite like the 'taking over the world' vibe.

LOL!

Is that a baby bottle the central warrior is wielding? Like a milked up non threatening mace spray?!

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FarriersGirl · 02/07/2025 17:05

I am sure we are all feeling viperish [is there such a word?] seeing two loons artwork. Its time for an update on progress - as you will see we are making good progress.

Acute Trusts in the South West region

Dorset County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - Teawamutu
Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - Mipe
North Bristol NHS Trust - Catunseeit
Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust - Cantunseeit
Royal Devon University Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust - Yellowroom
Royal United Hospitals Bath NHS Foundation Trust - Mipe
Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust - Teawamutu
Somerset NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
Torbay and South Devon Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust - Mipe
University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Dorset NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Plymouth NHS Trust

Community and Mental Health Trusts and Providers in the South West region

Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust - Blackmetallic
Cornwall Partnership NHS Foundation Trust - Bluebootsgreenboots
Devon Partnership NHS Trust - Opinionpolecat
Dorset Health Care University Foundation Trust - Yellowroom
Gloucestershire Health and Care NHS Foundation Trust - Cantunseeit
Livewell South West - FarriersGirl
Sirona Care and Health
Wiltshire Health and Care

Ambulance Trusts in the South West region

South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust

KnottyAuty · 02/07/2025 19:21

FarriersGirl · 02/07/2025 17:05

I am sure we are all feeling viperish [is there such a word?] seeing two loons artwork. Its time for an update on progress - as you will see we are making good progress.

Acute Trusts in the South West region

Dorset County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - Teawamutu
Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - Mipe
North Bristol NHS Trust - Catunseeit
Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust - Cantunseeit
Royal Devon University Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust - Yellowroom
Royal United Hospitals Bath NHS Foundation Trust - Mipe
Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust - Teawamutu
Somerset NHS Foundation Trust - FarriersGirl
Torbay and South Devon Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust - Mipe
University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Dorset NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Plymouth NHS Trust

Community and Mental Health Trusts and Providers in the South West region

Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust - Blackmetallic
Cornwall Partnership NHS Foundation Trust - Bluebootsgreenboots
Devon Partnership NHS Trust - Opinionpolecat
Dorset Health Care University Foundation Trust - Yellowroom
Gloucestershire Health and Care NHS Foundation Trust - Cantunseeit
Livewell South West - FarriersGirl
Sirona Care and Health
Wiltshire Health and Care

Ambulance Trusts in the South West region

South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust

Oh wowsers! Are you accelerating?!

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teawamutu · 02/07/2025 19:33

Just started Salisbury. Have to say in terms of any information available it's one of the worst yet.

Cantunseeit · 02/07/2025 21:46

Gloucestershire Health and Care NHS Foundation Trust, example of lack of coherence between policies:

Single sex accommodation policy
"Failure to comply with same sex accommodation provision can lead to a financial levy being imposed upon the Trust, but more significantly it is a patient safety breach which may affect people’s mental, emotional, physical, social and/ or sexual wellbeing."

Mental Health and Learning Disability Bed Management Policy:
"Transgender individuals also have the right to access single sex wards in accordance with the gender they identify with. They will be involved, as much as is possible, in the admission process with a view to help staff understand what they can do to support the transgender person on the identified ward. On the ward, transgender patients will be able to use any spaces, facilities and engage in activities appropriate to their gender identity.

In the presence of any risk related to the admission of a transgender service user to the ward where they feel more comfortable, additional measures will be taken, as much as practicable, to address and contain the risk. Equally, some other individuals on the ward might pose a risk to the transgender person as a result of their mental state. In these cases, risk will be assessed, and priority will be given to the transgender person remaining on their preferred ward, with additional measures put in place to contain the risk, however each case should be considered individually."

Naturally the SS Accom policy also contains the usual "Trans people should be accommodated according to their presentation: the way they dress, and the name and pronouns they currently use." but I thought putting the two sections above side by side was quite jarring.

YellowRoom · 02/07/2025 22:11

Scurrying down many rabbit holes with Dorset Health University - not much on their website but they host some sort of 'young persons' (whatever that is) trans service which links out to lots of questionable looking stuff. I'll submit tomorrow and wondered if I could then have South Western Ambulance, as the national ambulance trans network seems quite busy and interested to see if SW are too. I've noticed with the Trust audit and looking at services local to me that many don't make it clear what ages they're catering for.

Cantunseeit · 02/07/2025 22:12

@FarriersGirl can I have another Trust please? I probably won't have time to finish it till early next week though, so happy to ask again then in case others can get on quicker

TY
@TwoLoonsAndASprout love the pin idea and @teawamutu 's AI art - the second one is v communist era industrial!

YellowRoom · 02/07/2025 22:13

Oh and loving the Ermine-art and pin idea x

Opinionpolecat · 02/07/2025 22:43

I’ve submitted Devon Partnership and I’ll have some spare time this weekend so can I have another one please?

i love the artwork and pin too!

FarriersGirl · 03/07/2025 07:22

YellowRoom · 02/07/2025 22:11

Scurrying down many rabbit holes with Dorset Health University - not much on their website but they host some sort of 'young persons' (whatever that is) trans service which links out to lots of questionable looking stuff. I'll submit tomorrow and wondered if I could then have South Western Ambulance, as the national ambulance trans network seems quite busy and interested to see if SW are too. I've noticed with the Trust audit and looking at services local to me that many don't make it clear what ages they're catering for.

That's great - I put you down for the ambulance trust next.

FarriersGirl · 03/07/2025 07:24

Cantunseeit · 02/07/2025 22:12

@FarriersGirl can I have another Trust please? I probably won't have time to finish it till early next week though, so happy to ask again then in case others can get on quicker

TY
@TwoLoonsAndASprout love the pin idea and @teawamutu 's AI art - the second one is v communist era industrial!

University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Trust is next on the list. Thank you!

FarriersGirl · 03/07/2025 07:27

Opinionpolecat · 02/07/2025 22:43

I’ve submitted Devon Partnership and I’ll have some spare time this weekend so can I have another one please?

i love the artwork and pin too!

Thank you - next one for you is University Hospitals Dorset NHS Foundation Trust.

FarriersGirl · 03/07/2025 07:32

KnottyAuty · 02/07/2025 19:21

Oh wowsers! Are you accelerating?!

It is a smaller region in terms of trusts and we are just going through them like the velvet tank [I think you posted a gif on another thread?] I think we'll be ready to start another region next week. It will either be the North West or Wales.

FeedbackProvider · 03/07/2025 11:58

Do you all need any extra help with the technical side of data extraction, import/export, format conversion, visualisation, and analysis; or workflow automation? Is there any busywork that might be amenable to automation so you can concentrate on more important things?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 03/07/2025 12:03

FeedbackProvider · 03/07/2025 11:58

Do you all need any extra help with the technical side of data extraction, import/export, format conversion, visualisation, and analysis; or workflow automation? Is there any busywork that might be amenable to automation so you can concentrate on more important things?

It’s kind of you to offer! We’re good at the moment, but we’ll let you know if do need anything! Thank you.

Mipe · 04/07/2025 17:13

@KnottyAuty and @FarriersGirl just a message to say I've had a busy week at work but I am working on it and will submit it as soon as I can!

FarriersGirl · 04/07/2025 17:45

No worries @Mipe you're doing great work on this and we all have busy lives.

YellowRoom · 04/07/2025 17:57

This is another long one sorry...

I've submitted Dorset Healthcare University. There's very little on the website but they seem to have their fingers in a lot of Trans pies. This one has sickened me.

National charity LGBT+ Network for Change has praised Dorset HealthCare’s Steps2Wellbeing service for its success and sensitivity in providing help for LGBT+ patients. And this learning will now be shared with a human rights organisation in Rwanda to ensure LGBT+ people there receive the support they need.

Link out to chest feeding info at La Leche, 'Trans men, trans women and non-binary individuals may choose to breastfeed or chest feed their babies further information available at...'

They're a member of LGBT+ Voices Dorset Forum which thanks Stonewall and Mermaids for their input.

CAMHS page on gender identity - 'Some people feel uncomfortable with the gender they were assigned at birth... '
'If you are referred to the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), the team there will talk to you about the nature of your gender identity and how you feel, and if it's applicable, about your wishes for physical intervention.'

The Trust staffs 'Over the Rainbow' - an NHS Initiative for the local Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, and Asexual (LGBTQIA+) community'
'Not to be confused with the drag queens and kings that keep us company with our booze cruise Saturday nights, Gender Identity Dysmorphia (GID) is a term used to acknowledge a persons dissatisfaction with their biological gender... Affecting men women and children, GID can present itself in many different ways.'

Young Rainbows - on Over the Rainbow website
In 2008, the Young Rainbows Project (funded by the Terrence Higgins Trust) produced two pocket-size sexual health guides...
Young Rainbows Project is a peer led sexual health project for guys who like guys between the ages of 13 and 19 (!) in and around Dorset. Supported by Over the Rainbow (NHS LGBT drop-in centre) in Bournemouth and Terrence Higgins Trust. Young Rainbows no longer exists but the guides are still available here.
From the girls' guide - (I'll eat my hat if this wasn't written by a man):
The vagina is part of the female reproductive system, which is very different to the male. Firstly, all the reproductive system is inside the body, rather than dangling between your legs!
During sex, girls can orgasm like just guys can (oddly, in the guys guide, it doesn't say that men can orgasm just like women)
You may have heard of a term used before called female ejaculation. This can happen when a women orgasms but it doesn’t happen to all women and don’t worry if you don’t – you can still have a pleasurable sex life! Female ejaculation is basically a fluid that comes from a gland and is usually clear and odourless but don’t worry, it’s not you losing control of your bladder and peeing! Women who ejaculate can produce anywhere from a teaspoon to many tablespoons of liquid!

Over the Rainbow links out to Space Youth Project - part-funded by Nat. Lottery and Children in Need
Space Youth Project uses 'trans' as an umbrella term for those who are transgender, non-binary, genderqueer, genderfluid, agender, are of non-Western gender identities and those who have a trans history.
Mel is Space's Education Volunteer! She is a fully qualified teacher with over 20 years of experience, devoted to bringing LGBT+ inclusivity into the classroom. She offers workshops for education professionals on how to start that conversation with students.
With KS1 children, Mel uses picture books to talk about the fact that families can be different but still share the same love.
She gets KS2/3 children talking about gender and how we shouldn’t feel pressured to behave in a particular way because of it. She also uses picture books to introduce what it’s like to be transgender and talks about homophobic, biphobic, and transphobic bullying and how to stop it.
Mel also offers staff training; 1:1 support for schools with a transitioning child; and year group assemblies on the theme of inclusivity for all ages.

Over the Rainbow also links out to Hopes Angels.
No age range specified - seems to be a few blokes in frocks wanting to 'offer support' to others. From their safeguarding policy. 'Children Act 1989 and 2004: Provides a framework for safeguarding and promoting the welfare of children.' - so I assume they would 'offer support' to children. Their safeguarding officer is a bloke in a frock.

Over the Rainbow is for all ages with a specific young person section. But it's all very colourful and jolly and it would be possible for a child to link up with some potentially dodgy fuckers via the available signposting. I picked out Space Youth Project and Hopes Angels but there is a lot of other stuff on there.

Oh and the Trust does let trans people into the accommodation of their choice.