Racist men exploiting sexual violence to committ acts of racism

[IwantToRetire]

Image above being circulated on facebook by women in Northern Ireland. And this:

Where is the care for the girl? For the victim of male violence?

This isn’t about isolated cases, this is about male violence against women.

It’s time men talked to men , your friends, your brothers, your sons, about the violence that men do to women. Your sister, your daughter, your partner,’they all live in fear because of this silence.
>It’s male violence against women.
>It’s men showing outrage with more violence.
>It’s men staying silent when friends, family, or online people glorify violent porn, talk about women like objects, and echo racist, sexist, and fascist views.

This is not a race issue alone. It’s white male privilege, and male dominance across the board, upheld by racism, economic hopelessness, online radicalisation, and unchecked hate.

Men rally together to attack difference , while still committing the same male violence they claim to be outraged by. That’s not justice. That’s racism dressed up as moral protest.

Male violence is the issue.

And when “good men’ say nothing, the violence continues.

Silence gives permission.

The male-perspective dominated society of patriarchy is breaking everything, our relationships, our safety, our communities, our sense of purpose.

Our fundamental human ability to care about the victims without making about the men.

What are men doing to stop male violence?

Because this is ridiculous, sad and devastating to all affected by the violence unfolding, women have been fighting this alone forever!!

Men ‘good’ men, step up and speak, act and support.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/aimee-walsh-ballymena-riots-arent-35374454

Not sure why this didn't appear in the OP.

But to clarify this is also being shared on FB.

This is so true it's like a blinding light. No, no-one riots when one of their own is accused of rape unless it's to support the rapist - as has happened in India. When men stand up and condemn roundly and completely violence by men - all men, including their father, their brother, their son, their friend - against women then we might get somewhere. But rioting because the alleged rapists are not 'one of ours' is racist and does nothing to help the victim or anyone else.

And no doubt there are a lot of men who have joined in with no thought to whether there is a reason or not.

Just a male longing to have an excuse to be destructive and voilence.

There was a report yesterday that the young woman concerned is feeling additional distress to her trauma because it is being used by men to be mindlessly violent.

There was an interview with a woman whose work is with young school children in a leisure centre(?) and that because a rumour went round that some "refugees" had been given temporary shelter there, men turned up and started hammering on the winds.

Many of the children were really terrified as were the staff.

Mob mentality seems to be like an addictive drug to some (usually) men.

a rumour went round that some "refugees" had been given temporary shelter there, men turned up and started hammering on the winds.

It wasn't a rumour, IwantToRetire, it was a social media post by the Communities Minister Gordon Lyons MLA, of the Democratic Unionist Party, in which he complained that he had not been consulted about people being evacuated from Ballymena to the sports centre... thereby letting everyone know that the people who had been burnt out by racists in Ballymena were now sitting ducks in an unprotected sports centre in Larne.

Hopefully it was stupidity and not malice.

I get your point, OP, but to talk about 'white male privilege' in the context of these communities in Northern Ireland does nothing to further any understanding of what's actually going on.

Immigration is such a divisive issue because all of the negative impacts (eg higher rents, competition for scarce resources) fall on the less well off.

The well heeled are untouched by it, except to benefit by having cheaper housekeepers, au pairs and cleaners. And they are the people who control society.

As I understand it, your line is the politically correct one being pushed by authority.

The people on the ground are saying that the latest attack was the last of three involving a specific situation, which had not been addressed the two previous times.

So the protesters raised the issue twice through the correct channels but after the third attack held a non violent march to force the authorities to address the dangerous situation in their neighbourhood.

At what point that turned to riots and violence, I don’t know. But there would have been no tolerance towards the same known behaviour from any other neighbour.

The level of immigration in NI is 6%.

Violence and vandalism us never justified. But these situations will keep occurring again and again if those in power just dismiss it as a bunch of thugs with nothing better to do with their time.

Hopefully it was stupidity and not malice.

Maybe, but these weren't actual "refugees" which is why I put it in quotes, but families who no longer felt safe in what had been their homes (note the word homes) for years.

Following your reasoning women should be rioting on the streets every night, destroying peoples homes, scaring young children, and so on, because EVERY DAY women who are raped or sexually assaulted and ignored, or even stigmatised.

There's nothing "politically correct" in saying stupid ignorant males who couldn't give two shits about women's safety should be excused for getting a bit het up.

Warped thinking.

As I understand the situation is a lot more complex than the basic "these people are racist end of story".

The is a lot of social housing with waiting lists that is being given to immigrants who have the priority. This is causing resentment with locals, particularly those on the waiting lists. The immigrants are being placed in these areas because the housing is cheap (and part of Operation Scatter to get immigrants out of hotels). Apparently there are no go-areas for women now due to the various assaults etc, which the authorities have had no interest in resolving. Many of the groups involved with these assaults have been posting incendiary videos on social media.

The violence and destruction is simply unacceptable and is getting very dangerous. But the governments should also look at their policies which are inflaming the whole situation.

But it's precisely the 'turning to riots and violence' that's being discussed here.

Male violence against women is so common in NI - 25 women murdered in the four years 2020-2024, giving NI one of the highest femicide rates in Europe - not to mention all the rapes and sexual assaults, that if there was the same reaction to the same known behaviour from local men, there wouldn't be a building left unburnt in the area, would there?

It isn't immigrant who create lack of resources, higher rents etc..

It is Government decisions.

What a back to front reasoning.

And rents only go up when those with money move in and take previously affordable properties to regenerate.

And even if it was true, why would rioting help.

It always amazes me people who use immigrants as having this stupendous power that everything that is wrong in our societies is because of them.

Almost like it is easier to attack a weak and less priviledge group than the people who are actually making people's live worse. Politicians, greed commercial companies.

Inexplicable that on a feminist forum posters would be suggesting that when men get frustrated they have the right to resort to violence.

With that train of thinking no doubt you could argue that men who feel sexually frustrated have the right to rape.

I’ve you ever been to Northern Ireland… the records might say 6% but I can assure you it’s much higher. Every small village has changed massively in terms of school applications, doctor’s appointments and crime had increased on a huge scale.

We’re a country that is very hospitable and welcome a lot of people but un-vetted, un-checked males is not something that has went unnoticed by anyone.

But it's precisely the 'turning to riots and violence' that's being discussed here.
Male violence against women is so common in NI - 25 women murdered in the four years 2020-2024, giving NI one of the highest femicide rates in Europe - not to mention all the rapes and sexual assaults, that if there was the same reaction to the same known behaviour from local men, there wouldn't be a building left unburnt in the area, would there?

Exactly.

The posts I have seen on facebook and some of which i posted here are coming from women working with victims of male violence.

Three assaults in three weeks on girls walking home from school…. If that happened in my village, there would be disorder regardless of who the offenders were.

Perceived immigration is higher, I think you mean. Nonetheless unaccompanied young men are going to be difficult to integrate especially if they come from cultures where women are either strictly kept at home and covered or out and therefore assumed to be available - some cultural education needed by everyone.

I don't see the relevance of 'white male privilege' here - NI is hardly a privileged society and the people, men and women, suffer many economic difficulties as well as political division.
I dislike the term 'white privilege' anyway since it assumes all white people are a) in a privileged position and b) white people are in some way responsible for all the ills going round society. Both a) and b) are nonsense and also racist.

Why 'disorder', though?
Why is violence the response?
Was there violence in response to five women killed in the small area of NI in the space of just two months last year?

Government policies do not turn a person into a rioter - becoming violent is an individual decision, and responsibility for violence belongs solely to the perpetrator of the violence.
It's such a cop-out to blame somebody else for riots like the ones in Ballymena and Larne.

The people on the ground are saying that the latest attack was the last of three involving a specific situation, which had not been addressed the two previous times.

I haven't heard anything. Are you saying this is the 3rd allegation against these boys? Do you have a link?

Agree, it shows a puddle-thin understanding of how society works.

Government policies do not cause disorder? Do you have any knowledge of the history of Ireland?

I watched this recently.

The situation is quite grave.