Racist men exploiting sexual violence to committ acts of racism

[IwantToRetire]

Image above being circulated on facebook by women in Northern Ireland. And this:

Where is the care for the girl? For the victim of male violence?

This isn’t about isolated cases, this is about male violence against women.

It’s time men talked to men , your friends, your brothers, your sons, about the violence that men do to women. Your sister, your daughter, your partner,’they all live in fear because of this silence.
>It’s male violence against women.
>It’s men showing outrage with more violence.
>It’s men staying silent when friends, family, or online people glorify violent porn, talk about women like objects, and echo racist, sexist, and fascist views.

This is not a race issue alone. It’s white male privilege, and male dominance across the board, upheld by racism, economic hopelessness, online radicalisation, and unchecked hate.

Men rally together to attack difference , while still committing the same male violence they claim to be outraged by. That’s not justice. That’s racism dressed up as moral protest.

Male violence is the issue.

And when “good men’ say nothing, the violence continues.

Silence gives permission.

The male-perspective dominated society of patriarchy is breaking everything, our relationships, our safety, our communities, our sense of purpose.

Our fundamental human ability to care about the victims without making about the men.

What are men doing to stop male violence?

Because this is ridiculous, sad and devastating to all affected by the violence unfolding, women have been fighting this alone forever!!

Men ‘good’ men, step up and speak, act and support.

@IwantToRetire you are correct that racist men are exploiting sexual violence* and using it as a cover for these attacks.

They don't give a shiney shit about violence against women and girls. They're using the alleged assault of this poor child to excuse their violence and thuggery. Violence and thuggery they also use to abuse women and girls and intimidate them from reporting it.

The men behind these attacks are nasty bastards!

Humans are nasty bastards and have been forever.

This thread seems to be predicted on the idea that if "white men" sit down then no-one else on the planet will be a nasty bastard.

Ho ho ho.

Agree very much. I am getting a bit sick of people drinking the kool aid regarding "white male privilege" it's a distraction and quite frankly insulting to all the low educated white young boys were totally failing as a society, that because of this, later go on to be the biggest commiters of crime, and yet have society label them as the most privileged.

There is only one privilege in the world: and that is wealth and class. Pure and simple. About time we stopped the division and pretend it all boils down to race. It really, really doesn't.

Thankyou for putting your head above the trenches to balance this tired narrative.

So, to have a reasoned debate , it helps not to label a whole class of human (men in this case ) as "stupid" and whatever else you called them.

Did you label all black men as "stupid black men" during the riots of the early 2010s ?

You're causing division and shutting down any debate of valid issues. That's not tolerance, it is virtue signalling and ignorance.

You're being purposefully naive.

Spanish had an issue with "Brits" and their "drunkenness" at one time (I support them being pissed off with it!) does it mean there is no drunken Spaniards ? Or that all Brits going to Spain are there for a penis straw drinking, rodeo riding, puking up in the street weekend Of carnage? Of course not ! But they're highlighting a problem and pattern of behaviour in a distinct group of people !

Homegrown problems are just that, our problem (unfortunately) but when you're importing problems and there's a link with that group and say, predatory behaviour, of course you're going to be angry. You don't want to welcome in "problems" - it's a different kettle of fish and you know it

Eh, yeah, a bit...🙄

I know about the government policies that caused centuries of genocide, ethnic cleansing, weaponised famine, land appropriate and illegal settlements, and random war crimes.

I know that at certain times, the chosen - and justifiable - response was resistance by violence, when ' In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms'

I am also aware that at other times, non-violence was the chosen response - like when O'Connell addressed entirely peaceful meetings of up to a quarter of a million people with these words 'The greatest of all sublunary blessings is too dearly purchased at the expense of a single drop of human blood.'
And I know that the Land League, in choosing to employ non-violence in the 1880s, gave the English language a new word: boycott.

So yes I know a bit about our history, and I know about the chosen responses to government policies, the violent and the non-violent, made at different times in different contexts.

I think we just have to ponder on yesterday's claim made by Darren Jones MP that the majority of people arriving illegally on our shores are women and babies to understand the utter detachment from human reality of the ruling class in Europe at the moment.

This is what they tell each other. He said it out loud on Question Time. He believes it. Most of them do.

He might as well have said men are women, how would you have reacted to that if he'd said that @IwantToRetire

Maybe you have been so focused on that one thing you haven't realised how these delusional beliefs of the suicidally empathic left pervade everything they do and say?

It seems clear many posters here would like you to catch up with reality.

He's bullshiting his way out of it in X now

"Of course the overall majority of people arriving illegally on small boats are men - but not “north of 90%” as Reform claimed.

On @bbcquestiontime I shared a story from my visit to the Border Security Command about a dinghy that arrived mostly carrying women, children and babies who had suffered horrific burns.

I’m happy to clarify this given how this is now being misrepresented.

Labour committed new funding this week to secure our borders while Reform have voted against giving our police the powers needed to smash the gangs fuelling this vile trade"

Quibbles about a few percent.
The data is on his own government's webpages.

Misrepresented?

His emotional manipulation is being misrepresented apparently.

His complete disinterest in facts as a treasury minister is a misunderstanding on the part of everyone who can read the government statistics apparently.

But yeah, white man bad. Which white man bad? This man in charge that is completely delusional on national TV or the men no longer willing to be subservient to men like him?

This thread is about the racist violence on the streets of NI. Violence being controlled by loyalist paramilitaries. It isn't new. It happens annually. It's been happening for decades. And it isn't done in response to VAWG.

So were they racist decades ago too?

Can we have some clarity on the races involved?

They were racist, but we didn't have many immigrants so they weren't a target. Instead it was Catholics and anyone who looked squinty at the wrong person that year. They've been intimidating Catholics out of their homes recently too.

It's summer in NI. The time when loyalist paramilitaries mark their territory with extreme violence. They don't do it to benefit anyone. They certainly don't do it to protect women and girls.

I couldn’t agree more about homegrown problems.

We have a significant issue with our own delinquents that we have to take responsibility for. They are the product of our system, our society, and we bear the shame and the brunt of their loathesome behaviour. We suffer the consequences of what we haven’t fixed in our society.

I bear no responsibility for the behaviour of people who are not raised in and not sympathetic to local codes of conduct. I don’t feel any obligation towards them. I feel an added surge of rage at their crimes. I don’t give a fuck what colour or religion any of them are. We cannot fix their shaping society, so we shouldn’t have to bear the consequences of it.

And we often call on men to call out the behaviour of other men. We name the issue of male violence and call on men to work harder to address it. I believe the communities that produce criminals should accept responsibility for that, should call out bad behaviour in their ranks and distance themselves from it. Regardless of creed colour or language. Whether it’s the Met, Men, or another community- call it out or be part of the problem.

The voice of reason. Thankyou! 👏

So I guess by my own reasoning, the peaceable people of NI need to call out the paramilitary criminals in their midst, as well. And I can only imagine how hard that would be.

It isn’t addressed by dismissing it as racism, that’s for sure. And doing that just cements the hold paramilitaries have- if you can’t trust the authorities for protection, then…. well. There we are.

That is nonsense as you say. What’s up with the fabrication from Labour these days

I agree, except that being male also confers privilege. The largest number of immigrants arriving by boat are men of working age who can afford to pay the traffickers. Not the women from those countries, who are considerably more oppressed.

Burning the homes of Filipino families to protest about a sexual assult is nothing more than racist thuggery

The same kind of unrest has been happening in the Republic of Ireland as well. Same issues: unprecedented demographic change and a stretching of resources which impacts most on the poorest.

Not excusing violence at all, but this is going to keep happening unless the issues are addressed.

The only issue that needs addressed here is paramilitary violence. If there were no immigrants at all, this shit would still be happening.

Racism is a major factor but so is the sense of ownership of women and girls that underpins a lot of the 'anger'.

White people have privilege when it comes to race. Men have privilege when it comes to sex. It doesn't mean they can't also land somewhere else on a different axis. How the fuck can you understand a man can be underprivileged on a socio-economic basis but completely fail to apply that to race and sex. Come on to fuck.

You've chosen to believe a theory.

It's very easy to look at this from middle-class eyes and condemn every facet of the situation.

The violence and destruction is simply unacceptable.

But we also need to understand the causes behind the anger. It comes up time and time again and constantly ignored. It is those who have been left behind, the working class who see opportunities disappear (whether due to automation, outsourcing industry etc), jobs given to cheaper imported labour, pushed to the back of the line for social housing that goes to asylum seekers first. And then get angry over it they are told that they're bigots.

I have come from areas where the social housing is given to asylum seekers first and it really does anger local people who are aggrieved at paying into the system and not getting any support back.

And sexual violence to young women and girls is really hated in these communities, just look at the rise of paedophile hunters who come from those backgrounds. It is simply the straw that broke the camel's back.

Labour are supposed to be the party of the working class, but Starmers biggest concern is whether a child is able to go to Europe to play the flute as part of a European exchange programme, he's not interested in helping working class people. The Tories had "leveling up", which was just a motto and didn't actually do anything. The working class have been failed by all governments.

Sexual violence against women and girls is not hated by the men behing the racist violence in NI. On the contrary they profit from it.

Women who owe them money (they've quite the drug and loan shark racket going on as well) are forced to work off their debt in brothels.

I'm absolutely disgusted these men's actions are being excused on FWR just because they're targeting immigrants.