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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans sibling in law

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Primrose86 · 12/06/2025 18:40

DH's sibling has just come out as a man. She is 26 and autistic, lives at home with mum, spends life on the Internet, got kicked out of school at 16 etc etc She has plans to go overseas and transition in germany where apparently you can get surgeries on the public health system while living with her grandpa. Her mum is fully supportive of this.

How should I react to all this. Should I start referring to him as my brother in law? What usually happens after people come out. I assume they progress to hormones and surgery but honestly based on what I read, Germany is quite resistant to health tourists who never paid in even if they are citizens. Are people really happy identifying as another gender when they wouldn't look like the other gender?

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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 18/06/2025 10:26

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 22:25

That’s also an interesting fact, but doesn’t imply that 95% of men are criminals. That’s quite different.

It also doesn’t imply that 100% of them have the capability to be if they just don’t control themselves, which is what the PP said.

Do you seriously think there is anyone, male or female, who is not capable of criminal behaviour? I don't think I agree with Agatha Christie, who repeatedly said that we are all potential murderers. I can't conceive of even wanting to murder someone. And I can't imagine violently sexually assaulting someone. But I have had my rights recited to me by a policeman over an alleged traffic offence (more a matter of negligence than a deliberate decision to break the law).

And I wasn't just talking about clearly criminal behaviour. There are sexually motivated acts which would be very unlikely to result in conviction but are still damaging to women.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 18/06/2025 10:42

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 23:02

I don’t believe that many of those here who rightfully point out that they don’t share views or belief systems with Christianity, but still acknowledge it’s existence, respond to it in the same way.

For example, if you don’t believe in God (which I don’t), are you allowing those who do to get on with their religious day, or telling them that they’re wrong and ridiculous and you don’t agree etc etc?

I don’t see anywhere near the same level of debate, certainly not in the mainstream, around any other viewpoints that people disagree with.

I’m not Muslim, but I’m also not going into work tomorrow to tell my Muslim colleague that Allah isn’t real, he’s silly to belief he is and should just get a grip. Because I both recognise his existence as a Muslim, and respect it.

I apologise if I seem to be picking fault with everything you say. I actually think you are doing a good job of standing up for your views, and you are giving me things to think about.

Once again, however, my experience doesn't entirely match what you said here. Only last week, I was in a shared kitchen with someone who casually mentioned, in some context or other (not totally out of the blue) that he thinks all religion is nonsense. He knows that I have a different worldview. I don't think he was deliberately aiming at me, so I'm not offended.

When I "misgender" someone by using third person pronouns naturally and subconsciously, to refer to them based on how I perceive them which is as a sexed person, male or female, not as a "feminine" or "masculine" person, I am not disrespecting their worldview. That they think I am, shows how fragile their worldview is. Or if they see it as a personal insult, they demonstrate that their self esteem needs work.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/06/2025 10:58

Boiledbeetle · 17/06/2025 23:20

If I'm walking through town and there is a street preacher that's fine he can say what he likes, but if he singles me out telling me to repent or I'll go to hell then I'll tell him bog off and his God doesn't exist and he is impinging on my right to quiet enjoyment of my life.

If a Muslim co worker at work wants to go to the office prayer room and pray no skin off my nose, but if a Muslim coworker tried to impose the rules of her religion on me or insists I go and pray then I'll tell her to bog off and her God doesn't exist as she is impinging on my right to not believe.

If a man thinks he's a woman and wants to be called Susan that's fine no skin off my nose, I'm known by more than one name, different people know me as different names. But if that man insists I agree he is a woman and refer to him as she and that I should accept him in my female only spaces I'll tell him to bog off and that he's a man.

I'll respect anyone's beliefs until they try to involve me or force me or insist I share their beliefs, then I'll tell them I don't.

This, all day long. It’s the force teaming that is the issue, but it’s pretty obvious the poster is well aware of it and is being disingenuous.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2025 11:05

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2025 00:55

'just ignore them'

You know that thing we've been staying throughout this thread about over privileged and out of touch?

Well yeah, that.

☝️

Ymiryboo · 18/06/2025 12:46

Primrose86 · 12/06/2025 18:40

DH's sibling has just come out as a man. She is 26 and autistic, lives at home with mum, spends life on the Internet, got kicked out of school at 16 etc etc She has plans to go overseas and transition in germany where apparently you can get surgeries on the public health system while living with her grandpa. Her mum is fully supportive of this.

How should I react to all this. Should I start referring to him as my brother in law? What usually happens after people come out. I assume they progress to hormones and surgery but honestly based on what I read, Germany is quite resistant to health tourists who never paid in even if they are citizens. Are people really happy identifying as another gender when they wouldn't look like the other gender?

I am finding it hard to believe this is true because he would know that hormones and surgery are available on the NHS albeit at an extremely slow pace.

If it is real you should use the pronouns and name they choose, that simple, though many on here will make it seem much harder and make alsorts of hate filled comments so if you're genuinely looking gor support/advice I'd go else where

Primrose86 · 18/06/2025 12:57

Ymiryboo · 18/06/2025 12:46

I am finding it hard to believe this is true because he would know that hormones and surgery are available on the NHS albeit at an extremely slow pace.

If it is real you should use the pronouns and name they choose, that simple, though many on here will make it seem much harder and make alsorts of hate filled comments so if you're genuinely looking gor support/advice I'd go else where

My sibling in law has given up on nhs help. Tbh my dh doesn't use the nhs either, he goes straight to private albeit he has insurance.

My dh and his siblings all have childhood trauma. The other 2 zipped off to Israel on programs (they have since moved onto other countries as they got married/partnered up) as soon as they graduated from uni and barely come home (think london reminds them of too much traumatic memories), dh did a masters in a European country and only returned to London on account of me and we managed to buy a flat here which allowed dh come to terms with staying in London- new life, new space and own terms and all of that. The youngest probably does see her trans journey as a way to move overseas like her siblings. But as she is so isolated and lacks qualifications she can't do what her siblings did- the siblings program in Israel involved internships and my dh's European stint involved completing a degree. She can only move to places with family members as she never lived alone before.

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Ymiryboo · 18/06/2025 15:14

Primrose86 · 18/06/2025 12:57

My sibling in law has given up on nhs help. Tbh my dh doesn't use the nhs either, he goes straight to private albeit he has insurance.

My dh and his siblings all have childhood trauma. The other 2 zipped off to Israel on programs (they have since moved onto other countries as they got married/partnered up) as soon as they graduated from uni and barely come home (think london reminds them of too much traumatic memories), dh did a masters in a European country and only returned to London on account of me and we managed to buy a flat here which allowed dh come to terms with staying in London- new life, new space and own terms and all of that. The youngest probably does see her trans journey as a way to move overseas like her siblings. But as she is so isolated and lacks qualifications she can't do what her siblings did- the siblings program in Israel involved internships and my dh's European stint involved completing a degree. She can only move to places with family members as she never lived alone before.

*he

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 18/06/2025 16:03

Ymiryboo · 18/06/2025 15:14

*he

Do you get some sort of kick out of this…how fucking petty can you get

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 18/06/2025 16:04

rhetorical question ….i know how fucking petty you can get

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2025 16:22

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2025 21:56

I have a massive problem with the ghoulish 'allies' who berate family members.

They can fuck of to the far side of fuck and keep on fucking off.

They are using vulnerable people to demonstrate how woke and right on they are.

It's reprehensible.

And another bump.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/06/2025 16:58

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 18/06/2025 10:42

I apologise if I seem to be picking fault with everything you say. I actually think you are doing a good job of standing up for your views, and you are giving me things to think about.

Once again, however, my experience doesn't entirely match what you said here. Only last week, I was in a shared kitchen with someone who casually mentioned, in some context or other (not totally out of the blue) that he thinks all religion is nonsense. He knows that I have a different worldview. I don't think he was deliberately aiming at me, so I'm not offended.

When I "misgender" someone by using third person pronouns naturally and subconsciously, to refer to them based on how I perceive them which is as a sexed person, male or female, not as a "feminine" or "masculine" person, I am not disrespecting their worldview. That they think I am, shows how fragile their worldview is. Or if they see it as a personal insult, they demonstrate that their self esteem needs work.

No, it’s fine - I’ve had far worse.

Personally, I wouldn’t have told you I thought religion was nonsense if I knew you were religious. I appreciate you took it well, and don’t mind, but that’s fortunate because it’s rude.

I appreciate what you’re saying towards the end of your comment too, but my world view and self esteem isn’t fragile enough to be affected by someone else’s.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 18/06/2025 17:23

I haven't heard of orthodox Jews blurting out over shabbat meals to such converts- you aren't Jewish.

FWIW "Jews for Jesus" are a better comparison than acctual converts to other forms of Judaism.

Actually there isn't a lot you can do. Your SiL will do as she do do, and there's no doing anything about it. I would keep in the background and keep your powder dry as much as possible. If she wants to go and live with grandad in Germany well she can, it may be good for both of them.

Aim to support your husband and his feelings rather than doing much about it yourself. This is his sister.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2025 17:27

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 18/06/2025 17:23

I haven't heard of orthodox Jews blurting out over shabbat meals to such converts- you aren't Jewish.

FWIW "Jews for Jesus" are a better comparison than acctual converts to other forms of Judaism.

Actually there isn't a lot you can do. Your SiL will do as she do do, and there's no doing anything about it. I would keep in the background and keep your powder dry as much as possible. If she wants to go and live with grandad in Germany well she can, it may be good for both of them.

Aim to support your husband and his feelings rather than doing much about it yourself. This is his sister.

Edited

Genuinely some of the wisest advice on this thread.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2025 17:28

Ymiryboo · 18/06/2025 15:14

*he

This is the OP’s family, not yours. She’ll speak as she sees fit. This is also the feminist board and most of us prefer to be honest.

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