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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans sibling in law

989 replies

Primrose86 · 12/06/2025 18:40

DH's sibling has just come out as a man. She is 26 and autistic, lives at home with mum, spends life on the Internet, got kicked out of school at 16 etc etc She has plans to go overseas and transition in germany where apparently you can get surgeries on the public health system while living with her grandpa. Her mum is fully supportive of this.

How should I react to all this. Should I start referring to him as my brother in law? What usually happens after people come out. I assume they progress to hormones and surgery but honestly based on what I read, Germany is quite resistant to health tourists who never paid in even if they are citizens. Are people really happy identifying as another gender when they wouldn't look like the other gender?

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SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:02

Merrymouse · 17/06/2025 13:26

Whatever the reason (and back in the day a lot of straightforward men’s right’s activists used to frequent this board) if you suggest on the feminist board that women’s rights don’t need protection, you are going to get strong push back,

Similarly suggesting ‘dogs should never be off lead’ on the dog owner’s board and ‘women shouldn’t breastfeed in public’. On the breast feeding board.

Yes, I have gathered that if, as a biological female, you dare to have a different opinion, some people really don’t like it.

marshmallowpuff · 17/06/2025 14:04

Disagreement and debate are not the same as victimisation!

What are you the victim of?

marshmallowpuff · 17/06/2025 14:05

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:02

Yes, I have gathered that if, as a biological female, you dare to have a different opinion, some people really don’t like it.

It’s not you having a different opinion; it’s that the opinion doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. If you don’t want it debated and scrutinised, why are you posting here?

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2025 14:07

I’m sorry you feel victimised by your biology, however despite losing absolutely no sleep about it, that’s not an excuse to victimise other people.

I'm not victimising anyone.

I'm saying that there has been some complete and utter nonsense on this thread, which is representative of the overly intellectualising on the subject which demonstrates the sheer level of privilege and out of touchness with reality which is fuelling frustration. All it does is just drive the point home that sex matters and that anyone who says it doesn't fundamentally doesn't get the problems to begin and are close minded to considering problems because it's easier to dismiss them as somehow not real / imagined. And then when this is said the response is a flounce and 'look how victimised I am' from the over privileged quarters. Which only adds to a vicious circle of making these intellectuals (who are overly keen to use and advertise their supposed academic authority on the subject) look even more out of touch. The legal illiteracy that accompanies it, is even more baffling in this context because it relies on going from a supposedly intellectual position to one that's incoherent, unworkable and makes no sense because 'be kind'. Meanwhile the very people most affected by gender ID - vulnerable women and children aren't treated kindly, concerns about them are dismissed as irrelevant and sex is redefined as a social construction!

You are just an example of the problem. It's actually NOT about you but a pattern of this same old crap where we are told we don't matter, how we feel doesn't matter and our concerns don't matter, but the only Very Important People are men and the intellectual class that buy into it.

We are so over this. There's lots of intellectual people who are educated in many other areas who can see the glaringly obvious issues on display and the problems with virtue signalling.

Virtue signalling has a long and glorious history amongst the privileged and ways in which language removes power from the masses.

We could talk about the Church and the choices of language within England and how it created barriers. Latin was the language of the church whilst French was the language of the landed well off. Old English was the peasant language. Not knowing the other languages was yet another way to keep power. It was actively discouraged and prevented from translation to English so that the church could 'control access to god'. Attempts to do so in various other languages resulted in ex-communication.

We could talk about art history and how virtue was encoded into painting which only the educated could understand thus creating a hierarchy and status around art and art creation. This was virtue signalling in perhaps it's most literal sense.

What we see happening today really isn't new. It's something of a rehashing of this and a demonstration of one group trying to impose their dominance over another. Except today we have greater ability to identify this and hold people doing it to account. The appeals to authority and then after having said 'i am the authority on this because I hold greater status' followed by a 'I'm so hard done by and such a victim of unfairness' don't really wash precisely because there's been this attempt to disempower and discredit anyone saying 'hang on a second this is utter nonsense, can you please address these various issues relating to exploitation and material reality we have lived experience of which you, from your ivory tower, are so keen to say don't exist'.

You don't get to play the 'im the expert and authority on this subject' card followed by the 'im the poor victim' card because either you have higher level status we don't have for which you have a degree of accountability and responsibility to deal with as part of that status OR you are a poor, powerless, vulnerable individual who has a lack of status in debates and is being unfairly criticised. It can not be bothered by the nature of the beast.

The fact you try not to be tied to this point of privilege really is the most telling point of all on this thread.

There a whole bunch of educated and non educated women (who are still highly informed) who have been deliberately shut out or marginalised on conversations by those who hold power and status. They've been told their experience and knowledge and concerns are not important and they aren't qualified to comment. That's not going to continue. It's an abuse of power and status and it's identifiable.

This is also why a certain woman who does now, in her older years, have power and status is just so hated because she's helped other women and legitimised their concerns through the system itself. Because she holds power to account through the democratic channels by using the pillars of liberalism rather than the tools of authoritarians (like language and the church and symbolism in art to virtue signal and retain status) to marginalised and disempower.

Thing is, this is 2025. We know this shit.

swimsong · 17/06/2025 14:07

AidaP · 12/06/2025 19:07

You mean calling transgender people as "men in dresses" is not hate?

Wild take. But very fitting for this place. I guess if you redefine hate enough, you can live in it all the time and not even know it.

No that's not hate, it's simply describing what you see. The truth is everyone's faking the belief that anyone can change sex - including trans people, except for the very naive young transtrenders. It's all an indulgence and a politeness.

swimsong · 17/06/2025 14:18

AidaP · 12/06/2025 19:10

No, that's crossdressing.

But I am not here to educate transphobia central, just offering help to OP who seems to genuinely want to help and learn. So... Bye, keep arguing against DSM, Human Rights, UK law and everything else.

Stonewall included cross-dressers under the trans umbrella though. I think they're regarded as being 'on a journey'. Do you agree that was a mistake? Over years and years of socialising in the pubs, clubs and cafes around Manchester's Canal Street, the primary journey I saw was all about exploring sexual fetishism.

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2025 14:22

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:00

That’s fair enough, however I’d point out that doesn’t excuse the outward attempt of some to victimise someone.

Whether it works or not doesn’t excuse the behaviour to begin with.

Who is being victimised?

How?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 17/06/2025 14:33

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:00

That’s fair enough, however I’d point out that doesn’t excuse the outward attempt of some to victimise someone.

Whether it works or not doesn’t excuse the behaviour to begin with.

No, it doesn't, if that's what they were intending. But if you don't bite, they won't carry on.

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:51

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2025 14:07

I’m sorry you feel victimised by your biology, however despite losing absolutely no sleep about it, that’s not an excuse to victimise other people.

I'm not victimising anyone.

I'm saying that there has been some complete and utter nonsense on this thread, which is representative of the overly intellectualising on the subject which demonstrates the sheer level of privilege and out of touchness with reality which is fuelling frustration. All it does is just drive the point home that sex matters and that anyone who says it doesn't fundamentally doesn't get the problems to begin and are close minded to considering problems because it's easier to dismiss them as somehow not real / imagined. And then when this is said the response is a flounce and 'look how victimised I am' from the over privileged quarters. Which only adds to a vicious circle of making these intellectuals (who are overly keen to use and advertise their supposed academic authority on the subject) look even more out of touch. The legal illiteracy that accompanies it, is even more baffling in this context because it relies on going from a supposedly intellectual position to one that's incoherent, unworkable and makes no sense because 'be kind'. Meanwhile the very people most affected by gender ID - vulnerable women and children aren't treated kindly, concerns about them are dismissed as irrelevant and sex is redefined as a social construction!

You are just an example of the problem. It's actually NOT about you but a pattern of this same old crap where we are told we don't matter, how we feel doesn't matter and our concerns don't matter, but the only Very Important People are men and the intellectual class that buy into it.

We are so over this. There's lots of intellectual people who are educated in many other areas who can see the glaringly obvious issues on display and the problems with virtue signalling.

Virtue signalling has a long and glorious history amongst the privileged and ways in which language removes power from the masses.

We could talk about the Church and the choices of language within England and how it created barriers. Latin was the language of the church whilst French was the language of the landed well off. Old English was the peasant language. Not knowing the other languages was yet another way to keep power. It was actively discouraged and prevented from translation to English so that the church could 'control access to god'. Attempts to do so in various other languages resulted in ex-communication.

We could talk about art history and how virtue was encoded into painting which only the educated could understand thus creating a hierarchy and status around art and art creation. This was virtue signalling in perhaps it's most literal sense.

What we see happening today really isn't new. It's something of a rehashing of this and a demonstration of one group trying to impose their dominance over another. Except today we have greater ability to identify this and hold people doing it to account. The appeals to authority and then after having said 'i am the authority on this because I hold greater status' followed by a 'I'm so hard done by and such a victim of unfairness' don't really wash precisely because there's been this attempt to disempower and discredit anyone saying 'hang on a second this is utter nonsense, can you please address these various issues relating to exploitation and material reality we have lived experience of which you, from your ivory tower, are so keen to say don't exist'.

You don't get to play the 'im the expert and authority on this subject' card followed by the 'im the poor victim' card because either you have higher level status we don't have for which you have a degree of accountability and responsibility to deal with as part of that status OR you are a poor, powerless, vulnerable individual who has a lack of status in debates and is being unfairly criticised. It can not be bothered by the nature of the beast.

The fact you try not to be tied to this point of privilege really is the most telling point of all on this thread.

There a whole bunch of educated and non educated women (who are still highly informed) who have been deliberately shut out or marginalised on conversations by those who hold power and status. They've been told their experience and knowledge and concerns are not important and they aren't qualified to comment. That's not going to continue. It's an abuse of power and status and it's identifiable.

This is also why a certain woman who does now, in her older years, have power and status is just so hated because she's helped other women and legitimised their concerns through the system itself. Because she holds power to account through the democratic channels by using the pillars of liberalism rather than the tools of authoritarians (like language and the church and symbolism in art to virtue signal and retain status) to marginalised and disempower.

Thing is, this is 2025. We know this shit.

You tried really hard to not mention JK Rowling there.

She’s criticised because she’s stepping out of her actual ivory tower, while you tell people who don’t live in one that they’re privileged. Telling me I’m privileged while you’re being represented from a woman in a mansion/on a yacht, wherever. Now that’s privilege. Clearly just a form of privilege you’re happy to accept.

She may have lived in your world, she doesn’t now. Politicians aren’t “of the people,” and neither is she.

I think this thread has confirmed identity, outside of sex, even more for me. We may have biology in common, but there is no other common ground here. I would prefer to identify with people who I have more in common with than biology, because if there’s one thing that’s become evident here it’s that that’s not enough.

I watched you yesterday repeatedly make shitty comments about education levels, intelligence. Laughing faces whenever someone told me off in a way you liked. You were a back patter, if you will. If this was a playground, you’d have been one of those in the circle of kids calling for a fight.

You think it’s not noticeable? That people can’t see through it, and recognise an obvious attempt to bother someone enough that they take their views elsewhere? The frustration might be that it hasn’t worked.

marshmallowpuff · 17/06/2025 14:54

@SleeplessInWherever

I think this thread has confirmed identity, outside of sex, even more for me.

So what does identity consist of? What does the identity of woman consist in (and particularly, as distinctly not man), outside of biology/sex?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 17/06/2025 14:58

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:51

You tried really hard to not mention JK Rowling there.

She’s criticised because she’s stepping out of her actual ivory tower, while you tell people who don’t live in one that they’re privileged. Telling me I’m privileged while you’re being represented from a woman in a mansion/on a yacht, wherever. Now that’s privilege. Clearly just a form of privilege you’re happy to accept.

She may have lived in your world, she doesn’t now. Politicians aren’t “of the people,” and neither is she.

I think this thread has confirmed identity, outside of sex, even more for me. We may have biology in common, but there is no other common ground here. I would prefer to identify with people who I have more in common with than biology, because if there’s one thing that’s become evident here it’s that that’s not enough.

I watched you yesterday repeatedly make shitty comments about education levels, intelligence. Laughing faces whenever someone told me off in a way you liked. You were a back patter, if you will. If this was a playground, you’d have been one of those in the circle of kids calling for a fight.

You think it’s not noticeable? That people can’t see through it, and recognise an obvious attempt to bother someone enough that they take their views elsewhere? The frustration might be that it hasn’t worked.

But identity is personal.

Biology is not. It just is.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2025 15:01

Anyone want to bother to quote JK Rowling to Boy George from the other day?

That.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2025 15:01

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2025 15:01

Anyone want to bother to quote JK Rowling to Boy George from the other day?

That.

What did she say?

I'm not on Twatter.

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 15:01

marshmallowpuff · 17/06/2025 14:54

@SleeplessInWherever

I think this thread has confirmed identity, outside of sex, even more for me.

So what does identity consist of? What does the identity of woman consist in (and particularly, as distinctly not man), outside of biology/sex?

I appreciate that this one of the things that people find most ambiguous and therefore difficult, but my identity isn’t linked exclusively to sex.

I’m female because of biology. I’m a woman because of my internal sense of self, which is linked to my experiences, relationships, place in the world I specifically live in, the influences in that world. I cannot explain for anyone what that’s meant to (or not meant to) feel like for them, because I’m not you. But all of those things are far more important to me than biology.

For example, I’m haven’t achieved anything because of or in spite of my sex. But I have achieved things in spite of my background. That matters more to me.

I think it’s quite clear from threads like this one that sharing biology with some people isn’t enough to place you in a “group” with them. Certainly not socially. There are many here I share biology with but identify with in absolutely no other way whatsoever, and I would actually prefer to not share physical spaces with them over the people who they think are the issue.

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 15:02

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2025 15:01

Anyone want to bother to quote JK Rowling to Boy George from the other day?

That.

I’ve read that lecture. And I’m not a man, nevermind a famous one, and I’ve never attached anyone to a radiator. So it’s hardly relevant.

Merrymouse · 17/06/2025 15:03

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:51

You tried really hard to not mention JK Rowling there.

She’s criticised because she’s stepping out of her actual ivory tower, while you tell people who don’t live in one that they’re privileged. Telling me I’m privileged while you’re being represented from a woman in a mansion/on a yacht, wherever. Now that’s privilege. Clearly just a form of privilege you’re happy to accept.

She may have lived in your world, she doesn’t now. Politicians aren’t “of the people,” and neither is she.

I think this thread has confirmed identity, outside of sex, even more for me. We may have biology in common, but there is no other common ground here. I would prefer to identify with people who I have more in common with than biology, because if there’s one thing that’s become evident here it’s that that’s not enough.

I watched you yesterday repeatedly make shitty comments about education levels, intelligence. Laughing faces whenever someone told me off in a way you liked. You were a back patter, if you will. If this was a playground, you’d have been one of those in the circle of kids calling for a fight.

You think it’s not noticeable? That people can’t see through it, and recognise an obvious attempt to bother someone enough that they take their views elsewhere? The frustration might be that it hasn’t worked.

I would prefer to identify with people who I have more in common with than biology,

This is very reasonable. There is no reason to identify with anyone purely because you are the same sex. That is the reason that I instinctively reject the concept of a common feminine identity.

But what you can’t do is single handedly escape the material consequences of being female. For that you need rights and services which can be taken away.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2025 15:08

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 12:55

It was targeted and you all know it.

There is a huge difference between engaging in a back and forth with someone, when they’re actually present to debate with, and reigniting it a day later with a very specific naming of that one person, talking about them and not to them.

You can dress it up however you like, at least I speak directly to you and not post things like “people like RedToothBrush..” when your back is metaphorically turned.

You have made your views quite clear, repeatedly, I don’t know what purpose there was in repeating them yet again.

My lived experiences don’t involve group efforts to vilify people on the internet, that is not a shared experience of all women, whether they share biology or not.

I’m sorry you feel victimised by your biology, however despite losing absolutely no sleep about it, that’s not an excuse to victimise other people.

It wasn’t “targeted” in any way other than referring to things you had said and you by name because they were relevant to my point. Learn how a talk board works, maybe.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2025 15:09

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 15:02

I’ve read that lecture. And I’m not a man, nevermind a famous one, and I’ve never attached anyone to a radiator. So it’s hardly relevant.

'Lecture'

JKRowling:
There are many differences between us, George, but some are particularly relevant to this debate.
1. You're a man and I'm a woman.
2. You've been wealthy and famous since your early 20s. I didn't become well known until I was well over 30.
3. I've never been given 15 months for handcuffing a man to a wall and beating him with a chain.
4. I believe in freedom of speech and belief.

For more than half my life I was a regular anonymous person. Some of those years were spent in poverty. That's why I understand the importance of single-sex spaces for women who're reliant on state-funded services. That's why I understand why mixed public changing rooms are a problem for women. That's why I have a problem with men 'identifying' into women's rape crisis centres, domestic abuse and homeless shelters that are supposed to be single-sex. I don't stand against gender identity ideology because I personally still need those services, but because my life has taught me exactly how vulnerable women are when they don't have the money/influence I have now.

You yourself have been convicted of violent assault. The overwhelming number of people who commit crimes of violence are male, just like you. That's why I don't want to see men identifying into women's prison cells or any of the spaces mentioned above. Not all men are violent or predatory, but enough are to make safeguarding necessary.

Lastly, I'm a writer who believes in freedom of speech and belief. As we both know, the safe, fashionable thing in the arts world right now is to do exactly what you're doing: parrot TWAW and sneer at the unenlightened plebs who think sex is important and matters. For a man who was once all about non-conformity, George, you couldn't have become more predictably or more tediously conformist.

I am glad you picked up on the most relevant and important part of this post being about being a man and radiators...

You literally just demonstrated my point in my above post.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2025 15:09

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 14:51

You tried really hard to not mention JK Rowling there.

She’s criticised because she’s stepping out of her actual ivory tower, while you tell people who don’t live in one that they’re privileged. Telling me I’m privileged while you’re being represented from a woman in a mansion/on a yacht, wherever. Now that’s privilege. Clearly just a form of privilege you’re happy to accept.

She may have lived in your world, she doesn’t now. Politicians aren’t “of the people,” and neither is she.

I think this thread has confirmed identity, outside of sex, even more for me. We may have biology in common, but there is no other common ground here. I would prefer to identify with people who I have more in common with than biology, because if there’s one thing that’s become evident here it’s that that’s not enough.

I watched you yesterday repeatedly make shitty comments about education levels, intelligence. Laughing faces whenever someone told me off in a way you liked. You were a back patter, if you will. If this was a playground, you’d have been one of those in the circle of kids calling for a fight.

You think it’s not noticeable? That people can’t see through it, and recognise an obvious attempt to bother someone enough that they take their views elsewhere? The frustration might be that it hasn’t worked.

JK Rowling acknowledges her privilege.

Her privilege, which comes from her enormous (earned and richly deserved) wealth, gives her the freedom to speak up in defence of other people who are not so privileged. People who can't afford to lose their jobs for acknowledging the importance of biological sex or employ security to protect them from violent and mentally unstable activists.

She has explained that she had to speak out, because she was just about the only feminist rich and powerful enough to be more or less immune to the consequences of doing so.

As for this:

We may have biology in common, but there is no other common ground here.

Yes, no shit Sherlock, that's exactly what we have been saying all along.

We have biology in common with all women, whether they are oppressed and vulnerable women in Afghanistan with whom we have no ability to communicate, or Judith Butler, pretending not to be a woman from the safe cocoon of her ivory tower in Berkeley.

We have one thing in common. But the thing we have in common is important enough to justify there being a word for us all collectively, and for us to have rights, spaces and services on that basis.

We have nothing in common with trans women as a group.

Nothing at all.

Do you really feel some sort of kinship with Karen White, Katie Dolatowski, Isla Bryson and Sarah Jane Baker? What do you feel you have in common with them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2025 15:11

Also, @SleeplessInWherever i find it, as I’ve said to you before, a bit rich for you to complain about rudeness and condescension when you are so rude and condescending yourself. Enough of your ridiculous DARVO so you can avoid engaging with anything concrete. Everyone sees through it.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2025 15:11

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 15:01

I appreciate that this one of the things that people find most ambiguous and therefore difficult, but my identity isn’t linked exclusively to sex.

I’m female because of biology. I’m a woman because of my internal sense of self, which is linked to my experiences, relationships, place in the world I specifically live in, the influences in that world. I cannot explain for anyone what that’s meant to (or not meant to) feel like for them, because I’m not you. But all of those things are far more important to me than biology.

For example, I’m haven’t achieved anything because of or in spite of my sex. But I have achieved things in spite of my background. That matters more to me.

I think it’s quite clear from threads like this one that sharing biology with some people isn’t enough to place you in a “group” with them. Certainly not socially. There are many here I share biology with but identify with in absolutely no other way whatsoever, and I would actually prefer to not share physical spaces with them over the people who they think are the issue.

I’m female because of biology. I’m a woman because of my internal sense of self, which is linked to my experiences, relationships, place in the world I specifically live in, the influences in that world. I cannot explain for anyone what that’s meant to (or not meant to) feel like for them, because I’m not you. But all of those things are far more important to me than biology.

No. You are a woman because you are an adult female human.

All of those other things make you a unique individual with your own identity and personality.

They do not make you a woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2025 15:13

But well done for making people’s points about believers in gender identity ideology so admirably.

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 15:13

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2025 15:11

I’m female because of biology. I’m a woman because of my internal sense of self, which is linked to my experiences, relationships, place in the world I specifically live in, the influences in that world. I cannot explain for anyone what that’s meant to (or not meant to) feel like for them, because I’m not you. But all of those things are far more important to me than biology.

No. You are a woman because you are an adult female human.

All of those other things make you a unique individual with your own identity and personality.

They do not make you a woman.

Don’t tell me who I am, and why, please.

marshmallowpuff · 17/06/2025 15:15

SleeplessInWherever · 17/06/2025 15:01

I appreciate that this one of the things that people find most ambiguous and therefore difficult, but my identity isn’t linked exclusively to sex.

I’m female because of biology. I’m a woman because of my internal sense of self, which is linked to my experiences, relationships, place in the world I specifically live in, the influences in that world. I cannot explain for anyone what that’s meant to (or not meant to) feel like for them, because I’m not you. But all of those things are far more important to me than biology.

For example, I’m haven’t achieved anything because of or in spite of my sex. But I have achieved things in spite of my background. That matters more to me.

I think it’s quite clear from threads like this one that sharing biology with some people isn’t enough to place you in a “group” with them. Certainly not socially. There are many here I share biology with but identify with in absolutely no other way whatsoever, and I would actually prefer to not share physical spaces with them over the people who they think are the issue.

So how can a man have an internal sense of being a woman? You argued upthread that you believed in an idea of gender that is pretty much identical to the traditional sociological conception of gender as socially produced roles inflected by how people conceptualise sex. That’s pretty much in accordance with what “GC” people would normally say, too. But if that’s the case, then how can a biological male have that? He has never been subject to the social operations of “gender” in the same way a biological woman has: instead, he has an identity created by how he’s been gendered as a boy/man. This takes place overtly and subtly and unconsciously from birth, so a few instances of liking “feminine”-coded things can hardly compete with the overall effect of socialisation, surely?

Surely if you want to root identity in social production, a man can still not have the “gender identity” of “woman”? Because he’s always been treated as male based on the pure fact of other people seeing his male body and interacting with him on that basis. He has no more idea of what being a “woman” is whether “identity” exists as an internal representation of socially produced interactions, or whether the social interactions are all experienced as external.

My point is that if you think of “identity” as socially formed, you’re still in accordance with “gender critics”. You’re not really arguing anything different.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2025 15:15

marshmallowpuff · 17/06/2025 14:05

It’s not you having a different opinion; it’s that the opinion doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. If you don’t want it debated and scrutinised, why are you posting here?

Exactly. Not engaging with any more deflections.