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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rather hostile Women’s and Equalities Committee hearing

74 replies

crumpet · 11/06/2025 14:59

Started to listen into this and the team are not keen on Baroness Faulkner

parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/bb92960a-bf18-4694-9c42-19fe13dfdb7b

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TangenitalContrivence · 11/06/2025 15:12

That will be the letter writing campaign the TRAs have been engaging in

WearyLady · 11/06/2025 15:19

I’m watching now. I’m about 10 minutes in. The chair person is extremely hostile but I think Baroness Fallkner is acquitting herself well so far.

WearyLady · 11/06/2025 15:34

My goodness, I can’t believe how hostile the questioning is but the Baroness is doing a formidable job so far. I can’t believe how patient and composed she is.

WearyLady · 11/06/2025 15:38

every cliche in the book is being dragged out. She’s just been asked whether ‘intersex’ people were considered in production of the interim guidance. Her reply ‘Intersex people are not covered by the characteristic of gender reassignment, so no’.

IDareSay · 11/06/2025 15:52

The rudeness and ignorance of the chair and some members of the panel is shocking. Thank goodness for Rebecca Paul and Rosie Duffield.

Please do watch this when you have the time, preferably with a large gin if you like such a thing. It's shocking.

The previous chair was bad but Sarah Owen has managed to be even worse. Quite an achievement. The committee needs to be renamed.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/06/2025 15:53

I just logged in and the person asking questions is a snotty piece of work. Just picked up on another post it's Sarah Owen. 🤨

crumpet · 11/06/2025 15:56

The smugness and righteousness is palpable

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SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/06/2025 16:04

From Sarah Owen's bio

About - Sarah Owen MP (laboursites.org)

In Parliament, I am also Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee, working to scrutinise the government in its policies that affect marginalised communities across the country.

So not women are not a priority - marginalised communities are?

About - Sarah Owen MP

Who I am I am the Labour Member of Parliament for Luton North, a constituency covering the neighbourhoods of Limbury, Lewsey, Leagrave, Sundon Park, Marsh Farm, Bramingham and Stopsley. I was first elected in the General Election of 2019 and re-elected...

https://sarahowen.laboursites.org/about/

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/06/2025 16:14

Who's this one Christine?

agestagerage · 11/06/2025 16:18

That chair is so patronising.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/06/2025 16:19

The voice of ignorance from my fair land. 🤬

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/06/2025 16:22

The people on this committee appear to to put no weight at all to the rights of women. It is mystifying

RedNine · 11/06/2025 16:28

They are not interested in women and girls at all. grrrr.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/06/2025 16:50

Depressing to see so many women MPs completely failing to understand the issues with men demanding access to women and girls undressing, access to women's sport etc. I was pleased to hear Baroness Faulkner highlight the bullying of women, herself and her staff by trans extremists (much to the intense irritation of the chair if I recall correctly).
And as for the ignorant wails of "what about intersex people" 🙄
Still - as we see demonstrated daily, this ideology beclowns most, if not all of its supporters

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/06/2025 17:01

It was hard to watch, the level of ignorance was off the charts, particularly from the Welsh contributor. Questioning the fact that there had been a change in so many CEO's, the spewing the TWAW 'so says the government in Wales' crap.

Baroness Faulkner and the gentleman that accompanied her, (don't know his name) did well in the face of such hostility and smugness.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/06/2025 17:04

The Welsh MP - especially coming towards the end of the session after so many nuanced points - just sounded profoundly ignorant, chanting TWAW like a 5 year old. 😑

EasternStandard · 11/06/2025 17:28

WearyLady · 11/06/2025 15:34

My goodness, I can’t believe how hostile the questioning is but the Baroness is doing a formidable job so far. I can’t believe how patient and composed she is.

I haven’t watched but I can imagine.

NotInMyyName · 11/06/2025 17:46

Ive had to stop watching halfway, in dismay at the ignorance and bias shown by the WOMEN and Equalities Commission. There appears to be a shared position to only represent trans women. Im speechless.
This was not the forum to debate whether they agree with the Supreme Court decision. By raising “whataboutery” points.
The ERHC can only issue partial guidance until everybody has an opportunity to consult. There is an extended consultation period to accomodate genderwoo. So don't complain about it still being incomplete or encompassing every potential teeny tiny example.
Organisations still need to get legal advice and comply with the law. Other regulations in other industries are managed without waiting for detailed and comprehensive guidance. The HSE does not publish guidance as soon as legislation or regulations get changed. The same applies for the Environment Agencies.
Im so cross at ignorant politicians.

messybundles · 11/06/2025 17:57

Just catching up with this, Sarah Owen is thick as mince isn't she?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2025 18:36

It was a particular highlight when she didn’t understand that the Supreme Court judgment covered everything sex related in the EA.

spannasaurus · 11/06/2025 19:17

I was fairly shocked that the chair thought the supreme court decision was only about committees and had nothing to do with toilets or sports.

Also asking about hermaphrodites!

Delphigirl · 11/06/2025 19:22

Do the Welsh not understand that the sc judgment also covers wales?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/06/2025 19:43

Delphigirl · 11/06/2025 19:22

Do the Welsh not understand that the sc judgment also covers wales?

No, the sheep in Wales are smart than the SM's. When it came to Cass all they did was 'note it', I expect all they've done with SC judgement is note it too.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/06/2025 20:14

Women and Equalities committee. A sorry bunch, in general. Mostly committed trans activists.

committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/membership/

Catiette · 11/06/2025 20:28

I just made it halfway through and stopped in despair at the Chair's confident assertion - to ensure no one else had misunderstood 😳 - that the judgement was only about committees.

It's like a primary maths teacher confusing multiplication and division, or a dentist muddling incisors and canines. Like Mr Bean practising law.

How do these people get into these positions to make such astonishingly basic mistakes - and then seek to correct others who know better with such smug composure? How can they continue to sit in that room, in that chair, without melting in shame?

In any other role, the equivalent level of ignorance and arrogance would throw your position into question.

What hope do we have when we have no resource against such fools besides 10-second's courteous correction? It appalls and frightens me in equal measure. The ill-timed interruptions cutting off the very answer they were interrupting to demand, the petty jabs, the repetition, the failure to listen and engage and adapt... it was like watching a classroom debate.

Sometimes there seems to be an inversely proportionate (and exponential?) relationship between errors permitted and level of responsibility - the higher you are and the more people it impacts... the less significant it's deemed. Which suggests that what characterises people in these positions is a misplaced sense of their own superiority and dangerous complacency - presumably what gets them there in the first place.