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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KPSS Ministry of Justice protest Leeds

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FlipperSkipper · 03/06/2025 19:23

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Save the date
28th june
1pm
Ministry of justice offices
Leeds.
Women and make allies will be gathering for a peaceful protest with speeches.

#KeepPrisonsSingleSex
#NoMenInWomensPrisons

x.com/joxytales/status/1929964892389552608?s=46&t=PXWxitYX54gT0qTzn80xcw

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/06/2025 19:46

Thank you for this

minisoksmakehardwork · 03/06/2025 20:05

while I agree prisoners should be housed by biological sex, English and Welsh prisons are single sex establishments.

The majority of MtF prisoners are pre-surgery and do not hold a grc therefore they are housed according to their biological sex. This has been the case for approx 2 years.

Scottish prisons come under the Scottish government which is why they do things differently.

BettyBooper · 03/06/2025 21:18

minisoksmakehardwork · 03/06/2025 20:05

while I agree prisoners should be housed by biological sex, English and Welsh prisons are single sex establishments.

The majority of MtF prisoners are pre-surgery and do not hold a grc therefore they are housed according to their biological sex. This has been the case for approx 2 years.

Scottish prisons come under the Scottish government which is why they do things differently.

Which is a positive step, agreed.

Does this mean that there are none in E and W prisons though? A quick Google was inconclusive.

Tbh, that in itself is worrying. It should be easy to find out. And, I mean look at Sarah Jane Barker. Not fully intact but definitely dangerous...

BettyBooper · 03/06/2025 21:19

FlipperSkipper · 03/06/2025 19:23

Copied from twiX

Save the date
28th june
1pm
Ministry of justice offices
Leeds.
Women and make allies will be gathering for a peaceful protest with speeches.

#KeepPrisonsSingleSex
#NoMenInWomensPrisons

x.com/joxytales/status/1929964892389552608?s=46&t=PXWxitYX54gT0qTzn80xcw

Oh and yes, thanks for this.

minisoksmakehardwork · 04/06/2025 06:41

There should not be any intact men in English or Welsh female prisons. When they rewrote their policy, those prisoners including those with a grc but intact genitalia were moved back into the male estate.

now, I believe it’s only post surgery and GRC who can be in the female estate. I’d argue the MOJ doesn’t believe in the female penis.

minisoksmakehardwork · 04/06/2025 06:50

This was from the 23/24 report. It is definitely heading in the right direction. It appears there may be, or may have been, 3 males in the female estate. Or they may have been females who identified as their own chosen pronouns such as fair/faieself for example.

KPSS Ministry of Justice protest Leeds
KPSS Ministry of Justice protest Leeds
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NeedMoreTinfoil · 04/06/2025 13:49

Dammit I'm working that day or I'd venture along.

FlipperSkipper · 04/06/2025 16:04

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Ohdearherewego · 04/06/2025 17:19

minisoksmakehardwork · 04/06/2025 06:41

There should not be any intact men in English or Welsh female prisons. When they rewrote their policy, those prisoners including those with a grc but intact genitalia were moved back into the male estate.

now, I believe it’s only post surgery and GRC who can be in the female estate. I’d argue the MOJ doesn’t believe in the female penis.

It is our opinion (@NoMinWPrisons) and the law of the land re the equality act 2010 that no man should be housed in the female estate.
Regardless of GRC or medicalisation, a man is just a man and never a woman.
This grass roots protest is the latest action of a group of women from across the country. Male allies are welcome to attend the speakers will all be women.

DragonRunor · 04/06/2025 17:48

I think the SC ruling makes it clear that men, even with a grc, and surgery, should not be in a women’s prison. Demonstrations remind the prison service that we expect them to obey the law

Whatthechicken · 04/06/2025 21:20

The current policy also states that men who say they are women, that are at risk in the male estate will be placed in the female estate. This is one of the loopholes.

Whatthechicken · 04/06/2025 21:21

The men in the trans wing at Downview socialise with the women.

Whatthechicken · 04/06/2025 21:24

We have no idea how many men who say they are women are in the women’s estate, because according to policy, if they have a GRC they are recorded on all systems as female. We know 10 prisoners have GRCs, but we don’t know if that is an accurate figure because the prisoner has to give permission for their GRC status to be included in the figures.

Whatthechicken · 04/06/2025 21:26

No man regardless of crime, whether they have had their penis inverted or if they are vulnerable in the male estate, should be in a women’s prison.

soontobeconfirmed · 04/06/2025 21:29

FlipperSkipper · 04/06/2025 13:11

Even with a GRC they should not be in the female estate.

Lauren Jeska is in Foston Hall

In April there were 8 trans women on E wing at Down view. Activists have now FOI requests going in.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14621721/Prison-bosses-pressure-fate-Britains-female-transgender-jail-wing.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Jeska

E wing at Downview is an entirely self contained unit. A prison within a prison as it were.

Not that it means they should be there but they are no risk to the women.

Whatthechicken · 04/06/2025 21:38

soontobeconfirmed · 04/06/2025 21:29

E wing at Downview is an entirely self contained unit. A prison within a prison as it were.

Not that it means they should be there but they are no risk to the women.

They get access if risk assessed.

‘E Wing prisoners are held separately to other prisoners at HMP Downview. They cannot be given any access to the general women's estate in the prison unless risk-assessed as being safe to do so. If they are given access, this will be directly supervised by staff.’

questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2025-05-13/52148/

LeftieRightsHoarder · 05/06/2025 06:05

It makes very little difference if a man has had genital surgery or not. He can still assault women, including sexual assault. Surgery does not make men less violent or misogynistic.

No man should be in a women’s single-sex space. Least of all prisons or hospital wards, where women are least able to escape.

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