Guardian briefing against Baroness Falkner & the EHRC

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The Guardian's TRA journalists Libby Brooks and Peter Walker have today published two articles briefing against Baroness Falkner and the EHRC.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/26/uk-equality-watchdog-months-sign-off-gender-guidance-mps-fear

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/26/splits-labour-supreme-court-gender-ruling

It's concerning that they are still suggesting Harriet Harman will take over.

If the patient has asked for a same sex HCP and the transperson is not the same sex and goes ahead then yes of course. Consent has to be informed consent, or it's not consent The HCP would be risking criminal charges, a disciplinary by their employer and professional misconduct proceedings, and rightly so.

It’s a nice idea but it doesn’t work in practice. My TW friend started using the ladies because they kept being told they were in the wrong toilet when using the mens.

I’m not saying this happens, but I’m trying to see how far this goes. If a patients requests straight HCP and a gay person treats them, is that also assault?

So they took men's "no" for an answer.

Will they now take women's "no" for an answer and tell the men that they are using the correct toilets in accordance with the law?

House!

I asked for a ginger nurse but Big Tam wasn't quite what I had in mind. Warm hands tho, and a smashing chap.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom has it exactly right. Why do they listen to men’s no and ignore women’s?

My friend did what was best for her situation. She started passing and used the facilities that didn’t cause her problems.

I don’t see why she’d go back to that after so many years without issue.

We’re talking about a man treating a woman claiming that he is a woman when the patient has specifically asked for a woman. What part of that isn’t deception?

Your male friend is just demonstrating that actual women’s consent isn’t important to them.

Oh do racism next! Actually oppressed groups really like it when the privileged try to suggest that the discrimination they face is the same as a man being told he can't put his hands on a woman who doesn't want to be be touched by a man.

The NHS does not offer care by professionals of a specific sexuality or race or disability or age. That is not a service patients are entitled to. They do, however (or claim to/should, the NHS is captured by gender ideology)offer care by professionals of the same sex as you. And if you consent to being touched by a woman, you have not consented to be touched by a man, and the man touching you is committing a crime in doing so.

Yes, your friend chose what suited him with no thought to what that would mean for the people whose space it actually was. Very male coded behaviour btw. And now the removal of the extra privileges he took without asking seems unfair to you?

I don’t have a problem with her being there and she’s never had any problem in 5+ years

Is a trans man deciding the use the mens “male coded” behaviour as well?

I'm not sure a (self judged) beauty contest called "deciding you pass" is the basis for using opposite sex facilities.

I don't think it's fair on those (and I'm thinking particularly of a certain demographic) who don't and won't pass.

Either men are allowed to use the (now mixed sex) facility, and we simply change the sign, or not.

You can consent to use a mixed sex space if you want to, you can't consent to turn the women's space into a mixed sex space on behalf of other women.

And no one confronting the man who'd already demonstrated that he has no respect for women's boundaries by the act of entering a women's single sex space, doesn't mean no one noticed or no one minded. Do you think women generally confront unknown men?

Do you genuinely think that transmen i.e women, go into male single sex spaces without thinking about how the rightful occupants of that space might respond and how that might turn out for them, the physically weaker person in the situation? Oh my.

Because the Supreme Court has confirmed that your friend shouldn't be in women's spaces?

Perhaps there hasn't been an issue for your friend since they started using women's spaces. But there has been an issue for women.

We don't make laws on the basis of what you do or don't have a problem with.

I don’t think that at all. You made an assumption that my friend one day just decided to start using the women’s toilet without considering anyone but herself. That is not the case at all. She waited until she consistently got challenged in the mens and even then was still incredibly anxious about making women uncomfortable in the ladies. It just wasn’t practical for her to use the mens anymore and she has never had any issues in public or in the womens toilet.

It’s absolutely incorrect to say she has no thought for anyone else.

OK.

Well now it's clear that it is the men who need educating to be more inclusive of all members of their own sex.

Yeah I think men need to be a lot A LOT more accepting of each other. This kid on macho shit is exhausting and literally nobody needs it.

You can't wear a pink jumper without getting unsolicited fashion advice (ironically the Bog Code means that is the place you are least likely to get your fashion sense advisories)

Because it will cause more problems to go back to the mens than just continuing as she has been doing for years.

For whom?

How many other laws do you unilaterally decide not to comply with because complying is more difficult than not complying?

Uh huh. He was uncomfortable in the men's, realised him being in the women's would make women (who had no other options unlike him) uncomfortable, and decided that his discomfort was more important than the discomfort of an uncounted number of women. As I said, very male coded behaviour. He matters more than the women whose space it is and have no safer option to decamp to. And again, no women confronting him absolutely doesn't mean they didn't mind. Women rarely confront unknown men.

There was no evidence at all that transwomen are at risk in men's toilets. Fionne Orlander has said that the most that happens is a man will see Fionne and double check the sign on the door. Fionne will confirm it's the men's and that he's aman, and everyone will go about their day.

Here's Fionne looking lovely and clearly safe in a mens toilet:

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johnson-a-plea-for-third-spaces-for-transgender-men-and-women

And here's Kathleen Root in his 1000th photo of himself safe in a men's toilet:

https://x.com/RocknRoller2019/status/1920553022347730977

Your friend will be just as safe as any other man in the men's.