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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The words that have been pulled over your eyes

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/05/2025 21:00

I initially wrote this as a reply to a thread in relationships, but rather than derail the thread I decided to post it in FWR as a thread in its own right about a common accusation made against gender critical feminists.

It is a response to the claim that the only people who object to the word "cis" are people who deny the existence of trans women, and that such people are transphobes.

"Transphobe", like "trans woman" and indeed "cis woman", are just the words trans activists use to hide what is really going on.

These words exist to hide one simple truth: Trans women are not, in any objective, real way, in any way outside their own heads, in any way that is real to anyone else, any closer to being a woman than any other man is.

"Trans women" in reality are just men who for some reason feel compelled (or sometimes just really want ) to adopt a cross-sex persona playing out whatever their idea of what a woman is.

The words exist to make it sound like a reasonable thing when such men demand that their wives, children, friends and family, colleagues, officials, all of society pretend they are women, let them enter private spaces for women, let them touch or counsel women in roles reserved for women, let them take prizes for women, let them speak for women.

Because we'd never accept that as ok from men. But it's ok for trans women, and if it's not ok that's transphobia.

And we'd never say women in general are more privileged and powerful than men, but call the men trans women and the women cis women and suddenly everyone nods along. And if they don't it's transphobia.

But I don't believe the thing that makes men and women different is our minds. And without that belief, the whole thing falls apart.

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HardyNavyBear · 11/07/2025 17:54

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HardyNavyBear · 15/07/2025 19:58

Annoyedone · 26/05/2025 16:59

Gendered expectations are wrong, and are the boxes used to keep people in check. Unfortunately, without using these outdated, sexist stereotypes, gender ideology falls down. If being a man or a woman is not based on biology, the only other criteria is the gender stereotypes hated by feminists. Which reduces women to people who like pink, dolls and housework and men who like blue, cars and building. A lot of the trans ideology apostles claim they knew from a very young age as they wanted the toys and clothes belonging to the gendered stereotypes of the opposite sex. Rather than being a boy who liked pink and dolls, they claimed they must be a girl because only girls like those things. It’s a load of sexist bollocks.

You are absolutely right. The whole trans ideology falls apart because it is all based on gender stereotypes. Tell me, if biology is meaningless and doesn’t make a person male or female, then how do the gender stereotypes that trans people rely on? Also, if biology is insignificant, then why do trans people feel the need to take hormones or have surgery to artificially create faux vaginas and penises?

I am a woman, and I menstruate monthly, and I’ve had a baby. How could either or these two functions happen if not for my biological state? I mean men can’t menstruate or have babies. The whole movement is just a house of cards ready to collapse at any moment.

HardyNavyBear · 15/07/2025 20:05

Datun · 27/05/2025 21:50

I really can't engage any further with this nonsense.

I know which one I consider to be material reality, and which one is reinforced delusion.

Dear god the DRAMA

I will never understand why this nonsense has been indulged for so long.

Crampons working overtime

Not sure why you are even on this thread considering you seem to hate women. My apologies, you hate all women who stand up for themselves and won’t be cowed by your misogynistic men’s rights movement. You all lost, give it up, because public opinion is finally destroying this dangerous movement. Soon the EHRC guidelines will be out and all of you will be back in men’s prisons, back to men’s locker rooms and toilets, back to your own men’s sports, etc. Its a great day in the UK.

HardyNavyBear · 15/07/2025 20:17

Lets consider blind or VI people. They can’t change their blindness they just have to accept it, deal with it, learn to live their lives blind because that is all they can do. They realize that life isn’t always fair.

Amputees or those born with sickle cell anemia or even cancer can’t change who they are, they are forced to live their lives as best they can because they can’t change their biology. They realize life isn’t fair.

Tell me, why do these marginalized folks, and there are millions of these folks, have to live their lives as they were born but somehow trans people have the “right” to erase women and our sex based rights? Get a clue! Life isn’t fair for everyone! Have you lived under a rock your entire life?! There are millions more people who have it WAY less off than trans and do you see these folks screaming and demanding special rights? Stop playing the victim. Accept yourself as you are just like other marginalized groups like the blind or VI, amputees, children with cancer, because what makes you more special than these other folks who were BORN with disabilities?

The trans movement is full of misogynistic narcissistic folks who love to play victims because they can’t erase women. Boo hoo. Life isn’t fair. Deal with it.

CassOle · 15/07/2025 20:17

@HardyNavyBear Have you got Datun and Butters mixed up? I am completely confused by your post if you haven't.

Helleofabore · 15/07/2025 20:19

I assumed so cassole.

Helleofabore · 18/07/2025 08:14

I saw this quote the other day and I think it is what we have all been saying.

“Should a psychological idea take precedence over a physical fact?” — Dr. Paul McHugh, Distinguished Services Professor, Johns Hopkins University School of Medical

crazysnakess · 18/07/2025 08:22

StMarie4me · 25/05/2025 21:14

I cannot fathom someone putting so much energy into any of this if they are not trans.
It bothers me how bothered some of you are about other people’s genitalia.
I cannot imagine spending so much of my time thinking about this.
Creepy AF.

You're the person who brought up genitals.

Creepy AF.

FWIW, maleness extends to every cell in a transwoman's male body. There is no body part that isn't male or where the Y chromosome has no effect. Even the immune system is influenced by the y.

They are just men. Just a type of man.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/07/2025 08:25

crazysnakess · 18/07/2025 08:22

You're the person who brought up genitals.

Creepy AF.

FWIW, maleness extends to every cell in a transwoman's male body. There is no body part that isn't male or where the Y chromosome has no effect. Even the immune system is influenced by the y.

They are just men. Just a type of man.

I'm so tired of this faux naivety.

You "can't fathom" why women would care whether they exist in law and have the right to penis free spaces? Really, Marie?

Perhaps provide us with an exhaustive list of the things you can fathom, it shouldn't take longer than 10 seconds.

Helleofabore · 18/07/2025 08:36

I think “It bothers me how bothered some of you are about other people’s genitalia,” is projection. Hence they think it is a such a strong gotcha.

That to them being trans is only about genitals says a great deal about them, not the people they are accusing.

CassOle · 18/07/2025 08:37

Life, the Universe and Everything?

I don't think that Marie needs 10 seconds to type the above in all honesty.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/07/2025 08:53

CassOle · 18/07/2025 08:37

Life, the Universe and Everything?

I don't think that Marie needs 10 seconds to type the above in all honesty.

That would be the list of things Marie can't fathom.

The list of things Marie can fathom is probably even shorter, but I imagine it would still take a while to type it out with one finger.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/07/2025 08:54

Helleofabore · 18/07/2025 08:36

I think “It bothers me how bothered some of you are about other people’s genitalia,” is projection. Hence they think it is a such a strong gotcha.

That to them being trans is only about genitals says a great deal about them, not the people they are accusing.

In my opinion, if you have genitals that can be used as a weapon against me, it is very much my business where those genitals are allowed to go.

Janie143 · 18/07/2025 09:48

Circumferences · 26/05/2025 10:36

I very rarely post this fact on Mumsnet but there's no shame in it.

I used to work as a prostitute (in a flat). Started when I was 17. This is early nineties so a long time ago now. Anyway.

I had a regular AGP as a client. He'd bring knickers and pay me to compliment him in them.
He'd try pushing me into anal, deep throat, sex without a condom, you name it. It was all about pushing boundaries. The other working girls in the flat had similar stories (different blokes).

It wasn't unusual actually that cross dressing men were in fact far less respectful than "the common man". The "common" men usually paid for a regular girlfriend experience.

When I first heard "TWAW" some time in the early 2000's I just laughed. How stupid. I'd actually been paid by them for sex, just like all the other blokes.

So for anyone to flippantly brush aside my experiences as "not being enough" they can go f themselves.

To add to this I was married to an AGP how behaved in exactly the same way towards me. I was coercively ontrolled by him and it took many years for me to escape his abuse. Hope that helps those who wanted examples of abuse by TW

Annoyedone · 19/07/2025 07:12

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/07/2025 08:53

That would be the list of things Marie can't fathom.

The list of things Marie can fathom is probably even shorter, but I imagine it would still take a while to type it out with one finger.

Or other appendages à la Jordan grey 😀😀😀

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