Have I completely misunderstood GCSE biology...

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...or is the purpose of spotting an anomaly not specifically to disregard it in order that it doesn't lead to an inaccurate conclusion?

If so, why is everyone fixating on DSDs as "proof" that sex is a spectrum, when the anomalous 1.7% (if indeed it is as high as that - from what I've read that figure is only achieved if you include conditions such as PCOS which have a tenuous claim at best to be one of the "intersex" variations) is clearly a set of results that don't fit. Because something has deviated from the norm. It's not like calculating the mean of a range of heights, FFS.

Please can someone more scientific than me explain what is going on here? Or is it simply that certain factions are so hell-bent on arguing that anyone with ladyfeels can be a woman they're happy to completely disregard any sort of science or logic in order to do so?

You've got it, OP.

Just to add a couple of things.

If persons-of-gender were due to having an "intersex" condition, instead of using Layla Moran's SoulVision™️ we could carry out actual diagnostic tests to ascertain whether they were genuine. Yet when, in the early days, the Tavistock did this with its referrals, they found that basically none had any such conditions. And you will note that no activists have called for routine screening for DSDs, instead demanding "acceptance without exception" and lambasting any "gatekeeping."

If sex were a spectrum, how on earth could we define male and female spaces in the first place?

And if sex were a spectrum, why would it follow that anybody could self-identify into either space? Electromagnetism really is a spectrum, but you'd be batshit to bask yourself in gamma rays rather than visible light.

I think it's also something to do with the way the attention eonomy works. If you say that grass is green, it's merely banal. If instead you claim it's blue rather than green (well, barring some sorts of American vernacular music I suppose) it may not be true but you may well get more likes, clicks, views and swipes. It's more likely to increase your net worth as advertisers jostle to get their brands near to the phenomenon that everyone's clicking on. It bends the online space-time fabric as search algorithms place it higher in their lists of findings and Chat GPT weights it more highly in its plain-language summaries of the issue. In other words, the 'thinking' (if you can call it that) is not going on in people's heads, it's happening in the online infrastructure.

For those of you into philosophy and epistemology (and we're a very eddikated bunch on here) this is very like philosophical pragmatism. Dewey, Pierce and Rorty are long gone but it explains a lot.

Most people who are trans are happy to accept their body is for example female, but they do not feel like that body represents them. They feel masculine, and want other people to see them as a man. Therefore they express their gender identity as being masculine by changing how they look and behave. Very very very few are trying to say that their identity is reflected in their biological reality.

I feel like this thread has grossly misrepresented what the trans community are actually saying.

If most trans people think that, why don’t they publicly tell those that don’t that they’re talking nonsense?

Nailed it!

we keep being told about all these trans ppl who are utterly horrified by the behaviour of TRA so why aren’t they saying anything? Why do they keep quiet while the likes of Beth Upton and India willoughy insist they actually are a woman? You could argue that they shouldn’t have too & in an ideal world they wouldn’t but that in an ideal world, women wouldn’t have had their rights trampled over either but here we are!

Actually, that’s not fair, because some trans people do. And I understand that sane trans people keep a quiet for the same reasons everyone else does - they don’t want to incur a tantrum.

My sex is female I've birthed 3 children. My gender is female however my chromosomes and hormones would aline more with male; and I look male - I have an Adams apple. I'm actually terrified at the moment to use a public bathroom and haven't taken my children swimming in weeks; especially after being called a lady boy and threatened for using the wrong bathroom.
I had to have some genetic testing done because of a disability one of my children was born with. My chromosomes are xxxy.
When I was asking questions about what this means how it happens etc, the specialist told me it's actually not that unusual. And those that study biology past A-Level know this, at GCSE it's taught even more basically. Very few people are xx or xy, there are literally 1000's of combinations.

The trans debate is more about controlling how women look, as is proven by my own lived experience! If it was anything to do with trans people then they'd be stopping trans-men using the men's bathroom as well!

Sorry, I was saying that’s not fair to myself!

Because then they get attacked by trans ideologisits and MRAs, in just the same way as women do. Remember 'truscum'?

Imagine that you believe yourself to be rejected by the world and therefore believe that the trans 'community' are the only people who will accept and protect you. You know the fury with which they protect their own. Would you easily speak up against them? Could you?

I mean, mathematically in order to have thousands of combinations, you’d need 11 chromosomes….

Had the trans "community" not appropriated and trampled on women's right, "intersex" / people with DSDs and everyone else's rights, then maybe people would be less sceptical. But when you've spent years spouting nonsense like self ID, a woman is anyone who says they are and framing safeguarding children as right wing bigotry, then you shouldn't be surprised that people no longer believe the rubbish being spouted.

We're in this mess because the trans community pushed #nodebate about every single fantastical claim or dangerous pronouncement with too many organisations rolling over in acquiescence. They'v brought this on themselves and it's right that the nonsense behind so many of their claims is challenged and dissected.

It is quite the feat that a tiny minority of people with either no understanding of the basic facts of life, or with a cynical need for more power and money have managed to cast doubt on the very essence of the survival of our species. I have no idea how they've managed to persuade people, considering that every individual is only on the planet due to the mixing of a female gamete and a male gamete.
I guess in the past, they'd have been promoting the Carbolic Smoke Ball or trying to sell a bridge. Now they're trying to sell pharmaceutical products, private clinics, advertising space, diversity courses, rainbow items and hair dye.
Is this perhaps the absolute peak of capitalism?

What does that mean, that your 'chromosomes and hormones align more with male'?

Yes - there have been a couple of really interesting threads and comments recently by some very sensible trans people. I think that just as the judgment has allowed many women to feel a bit braver about putting their head above the parapet, it is hopefully having that effect on the quiet reasonable trans people.

I think someone is a bit confused.

Anyone with xxxy chromosomes is male and therefore has not 'birthed children'.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXY_syndrome

It's not nonsense though. Gender is different from sex, you really need to understand that. How I express my gender identity is different to other women.

As to "trampling on women's rights" which right is it you think you've lost?

I'm glad that on another thread someone explained that much misunderstanding comes from the difference between 'defining sex' and 'determining' sex and I think it's worth repeating here now we've got into 'but chromosomes'.
People who have looked 'different' have always had a harder time of things. That's relevant to the fact that humans can be very unkind and life can be very hard.
It's not relevant to the fact that there are 2 sexes and the vast majority of the time, no one (especially females, as we have to be more aware of the dangers to us of males) gets the sex of another individual wrong. (And on the rare occasions they do, that is nothing to do with the SC decision on the meaning of 'sex' for the purposes of the 2010 Equality Act).

Less than 0.02% of the population have chromosomes that are neither xx or xy. Less than 0.07% of the population have a condition whereby sex cannot be accurately identified at birth - a similar prevalence to Downs Syndrome and cleft palate.

It is very difficult to see how very rare conditions relating to a-typical development do anything other than reaffirm what typical development comprises of.

Oh let's see..

the right to single sex spaces
to accessibility or provision based on other protected characteristics that mean using a mixed sex space is not possible
to undress without a man present
to meet with other women without a man present
freedom of belief
freedom of language
freedom of perception which includes to note the biological sex of a person and respond accordingly regardless of that person's instructions and wishes
freedom to be homosexual without harassment
to not be arrested or given a lifetime criminal record for not submitting to a gender ideology based belief
to be searched by someone of the same sex instead of assaulted by someone of the opposite sex on the grounds of a fiction you do not have to believe in but must obey
to an HCP of the same sex who actually is of that sex instead of being required to pretend that they are and tolerate contact and presence from someone who in reality should not be present the same as any other man
to a prison free of enclosed locked spaces and showers with someone of the opposite sex, who in addition to this basic human right is statistically much more likely to be in prison for sex offending than another man

I could go on. But if you're in denial that women's rights have been trampled and abused by the GI movement you probably won't be able to accept any of it.

Here's the sex development chart for 48 XXXY.

There’s is a difference between having rights legally removed and having them completely ignored and trampled on

as the Supreme Court have confirmed sandie peggie completely had the right to insist on her right to a female only (as in biological women only) changing room. Her employer because they ignored the law and allowed TRA to trample on her rights , disciplined her and threatened her when she tried to invoke her legal rights

but you know this

I have argued this

People are born with one arm. As a species humans have two arms and no one would argue differently

A birth defect doesn't change the inherent nature of the species

No, OP, you are quite correct.

Can we all just take a moment to reflect on the absolute stupidity of claiming that having polycystic ovaries makes you somehow less female?

If women with PCOS were growing mini penises on their ovaries, as opposed to cysts, it might be a valid argument.

Yup. And of course that transwomen, who are male, have to use women’s facilities because they feel threatened in the men’s. But males intruding in women’s facilities are somehow not a threat to women.

And because of this ruling, men can now legally walk into a woman's space claiming they were born biologically female but had a sex change and no one can stop them. It's backfired spectacularly.

It was never about bathrooms.