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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour party plan to ensure women's posts are for women only.

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ArabellaScott · 19/05/2025 22:06

And activists are not happy.

'The proposals to restrict trans members’ engagement in internal democratic procedures - including by blocking trans women from standing in All Women’s Shortlists, excluding them from National Women’s Conferences, and preventing them standing as Women’s Officers'

www.prideinlabour.org.uk/post/joint-statement-in-response-to-leaked-nec-paper

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nauticant · 20/05/2025 10:55

Madigan was fading from public awareness to some degree and disappeared around the time there were allegations of sexual assault.

Imnobody4 · 20/05/2025 10:56

On the subject of threats of demonstrations, perhaps they should cancel the main conference; after all last year
Around 15,000 people marched on the Labour conference in Liverpool on Saturday to rage at the party’s complicity in Israel’s genocide.

Labour blocks Palestine campaigners from using the word 'genocide' at its conference

Labour is under fire for blocking the Palestine Solidarity Campaign from using certain words at its conference

https://socialistworker.co.uk/palestine-2023/labour-blocks-psc-from-using-the-word-genocide-at-its-conference/

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/05/2025 12:02

Imnobody4 · 20/05/2025 10:56

On the subject of threats of demonstrations, perhaps they should cancel the main conference; after all last year
Around 15,000 people marched on the Labour conference in Liverpool on Saturday to rage at the party’s complicity in Israel’s genocide.

Last year there was no " World Transformed" event as there usually would have been, so all of the radicals were looking for a cause to champion. 'Trans' and Gaza/anti Israel has been where it is at.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2025 12:15

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/20/labour-to-cancel-its-womens-conference-after-supreme-court-gender-ruling

Guardian seems to think cancelling is a done deal.

'Labour is to cancel its national women’s conference and restrict all-women shortlists as it awaits full guidance from the equalities watchdog, sparking criticism from trans rights and gender critical campaigners.
The party’s governing body, the national executive committee (NEC) will meet on Tuesday to sign off plans to cancel the women’s conference, which was due to take place before the party’s annual conference in Liverpool in September.'

Labour to cancel its women’s conference after supreme court gender ruling

Trans rights and gender critical campaigners criticise decision after party told it risks legal challenge if conference goes ahead

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/20/labour-to-cancel-its-womens-conference-after-supreme-court-gender-ruling

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tobee · 20/05/2025 12:20

Greyskybluesky · 20/05/2025 08:53

Let the noisy activists make noise.

Yes! And then stand up to them firmly in public. This needs dealing with. Women are important.

People still aren't really standing up to them enough. Everyone should be doing this routinely . It's not that hard.

Imnobody4 · 20/05/2025 12:26

Cancelling would send an appalling message. It's basically saying if transwomen aren't included then women's single sex meetings can't be allowed.
They could open the women's conference to all men interested in promoting women's rights.

SionnachRuadh · 20/05/2025 12:45

Cancelling would reduce women's conference to... well, where lesbian dating events have been for the past 10 to 15 years. No blokes, no event.

Wasn't there a recent court case about that kind of thing?

Scout2016 · 20/05/2025 12:54

nauticant · 20/05/2025 10:55

Madigan was fading from public awareness to some degree and disappeared around the time there were allegations of sexual assault.

Well that's a depressingly familiar twist. And here was me willing to have sympathy and thinking he might have been a casualty of affirmation and no grownups acting as such.

nauticant · 20/05/2025 13:17

eatfigs · 20/05/2025 08:49

Leaked paper has been posted here in the replies - https://bsky.app/profile/leftiestats.bsky.social/post/3lpjw66sy722t

Looking at the NEC document presented in screenshots it's striking that for all the talk of the uncertainties of the Supreme Court judgment, the (seemingly rational) people who are advising the NEC seemed to have little trouble setting out in a clear way what the consequences and the preferred courses of action might be.

Seems it wasn't so difficult after all.

Mmmnotsure · 20/05/2025 13:30

One reaction to the NEC document:

"It needs to be stated repeatedly that the excuse of “we’re complying with the law, we’ll get sued if we don’t” is the most outrageous gaslighting imaginable. Labour are the party of government. They can easily amend the law if they want to. This is a choice. A known evil choice."

Gaslighting, they call it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/05/2025 13:35

Mmmnotsure · 20/05/2025 13:30

One reaction to the NEC document:

"It needs to be stated repeatedly that the excuse of “we’re complying with the law, we’ll get sued if we don’t” is the most outrageous gaslighting imaginable. Labour are the party of government. They can easily amend the law if they want to. This is a choice. A known evil choice."

Gaslighting, they call it.

The talk about how easy it would be for Labour to " amend the Law" fails to understand the implications of that ( or maybe they do, but just don't care). In effect they are suggesting removing 'Sex' as a protected characteristic from the Equalities Act, and I really don't think Labour has the appetite to even begin to attempt that.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/05/2025 13:39

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/05/2025 13:35

The talk about how easy it would be for Labour to " amend the Law" fails to understand the implications of that ( or maybe they do, but just don't care). In effect they are suggesting removing 'Sex' as a protected characteristic from the Equalities Act, and I really don't think Labour has the appetite to even begin to attempt that.

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The Supreme Court was very clear. You need biological sex to be a protected characteristic otherwise you cannot define the protected characteristics of sexual orientation or gender reassignment.

Langdale3 · 20/05/2025 13:42

SionnachRuadh · 20/05/2025 12:45

Cancelling would reduce women's conference to... well, where lesbian dating events have been for the past 10 to 15 years. No blokes, no event.

Wasn't there a recent court case about that kind of thing?

Exactly

nauticant · 20/05/2025 13:42

Apart from anything else, the optics would be that the Supreme Court tells everyone what they know, that men are men and women are women, and that the Labour government decided in response to pass a law to say the opposite.

(Never mind that a previous Labour government has already done that in 2004.)

Greyskybluesky · 20/05/2025 13:43

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/05/2025 13:13

Anyone remember this person?
https://www.whatisawoman.uk/HeatherPeto/

Why do you ask? I remember this person. I was fucking furious that this person had the nerve to take up a place on the Jo Cox Women in Leadership Programme. I still am fucking furious about that.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/05/2025 13:44

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/05/2025 13:39

The Supreme Court was very clear. You need biological sex to be a protected characteristic otherwise you cannot define the protected characteristics of sexual orientation or gender reassignment.

Stonewall's aim was always to have 'Sex' removed altogether to be replaced by 'Gender Identity'.

And I recall Caroline Nokes, for one, campaigning to have characteristics which are sex based such as menstruation and menopause defined as protected characteristics......and I suspect the reason behind was this so that 'Sex' itself could be removed and only that which defined sexual and biological function and feature would remain. So, women and girls, per se would no longer have automatic protection as females.

HobnobsChoice · 20/05/2025 15:13

SionnachRuadh · 20/05/2025 10:38

All we need is one enterprising Unison member to put in a complaint to the Certification Officer. The CO's job is literally to ensure that unions comply with the law, and they can be hit with pretty hefty fines if they don't.

Well I think there might be a couple of us who can do that. Off to see what that involves

sweetsardineface · 20/05/2025 15:58

Labour’s response to the conference is another example of fence sitting/not dealing with something until it hopefully goes away. It’s almost unbelievable. Almost.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/05/2025 18:05

A disgraceful decision by the Labour Party to cancel the Women's Conference where matters affecting women are debated. They are doing this because the male trans activists will cause enormous disruption. As for the "Heather" person. I remember him being present at the 2019 Brighton Conference and dominating all the debates. I decided to quit the Labour Party after that.

EasternStandard · 20/05/2025 18:24

So they cancel it. Great.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2025 18:29

Fucksake.

https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/1924878575804481925

'New: Labour's NEC has voted to cancel the party's women's conference over concerns that it would lead to a legal challenge because of the Supreme Court trans ruling. The motion passed with a large majority. The main factor was legal risk and the NEC hopes it will be back in 2026'

https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/1924878575804481925

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ArabellaScott · 20/05/2025 18:30

For the men. Not for you.

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/05/2025 19:01

They clearly don't want the embarrassment of violent TRAs kicking off outside the Conference as they've so actively supported it.

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