Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action

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Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-)

https://goodlawproject.org/were-bringing-a-legal-challenge-to-the-ehrcs-interim-update

https://goodlawproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Letter-to-the-Equality-and-Human-Rights-Commission-16-May-2025_Redacted.pdf

The transpeople who have mastectomies are transmen, why would anyone think a woman with a double mastectomy was a transwoman?

Jolyon really is losing it. It's like the pony he promised to his daughters not only wouldn't be ridden, it laughed and told him to fuck off.

Me also

Remember those "woke 8 year old" tweets from a few years ago?

When parents were sharing obviously made up stories of their small children saying things like "Mum, why does Nigel Farage have such an obtuse position on fishing quotas?"

Getting a very similar vibe from Jolyon's anecdotes.

I’m still wondering why Maugham is supporting this ideology which encourages his teenage daughters to use the same men’s facilities that grown males identifying as women are supposedly too scared to use.

Well, yeah. Even if Jolyon wants to affirm his daughters' identities, surely he wants them to be safe.

And no parent should be leaving that up to the girls, because teenage girls don't know shit, even if they think they know everything.

There's no way this actually happened. Who on earth would challenge a woman who'd had a mastectomy? Why?! It makes zero sense.

It's a good point, because after half a century as a female I could count the times I've heard of it happening on the fingers of one hand.

We never challenged all the obvious men but now we're challenging women with short hair?

Boolsheeet.

@teawamutu
We never challenged all the obvious men but now we're challenging women with short hair?
Yes this ^^

Boolsheeet.
Sorry I have nabbed this as a shiny new username for some future thread. Love it!

As a woman with a boyish figure and short hair, and hanging out in male company - I’d often get ‘drink up lads’ but nobody ever challenged me going to the ladies.

It's clearly bollocks, overwhelmingly retailed by men.

I say this often, but in all my years on the planet I've known precisely one transwoman who passed well. Not perfectly, but well enough that, if you weren't looking for signs that they were trans, you'd read them as a tallish woman with a husky voice. These days, of course, we'd be more alert to the signs.

Every other transwoman I've known - and it gives me no pleasure to say this, I'm including a few friends here - it sticks out a mile. Women haven't noticed them and women haven't challenged them are not the same thing, and TRAs seem incapable of recognising the difference. Or maybe they do know the difference but won't admit it.

Women with short hair being accosted in the loo is not a thing. Lots of men seem very invested in the idea though.

I'm there for that too!

There haven't been so many stories recently of 6' tall butch lesbians having to be protected by gallant heterosexual allies to avoid being chased out of women's toilets by packs of aggressive straight women, as reported, in a voice quivering with concern, by Dawn Butler MP.

Maybe the national supply of 6' tall butch lesbians has run out, and immigrant 6' butch lesbians can't get visas.

I've been to two women's toilets in the past week while out shopping. I saw no 6' butch lesbians, it was very disappointing.

Then it occurred to me that maybe all the straight women there were eyeing me suspiciously and saying -
'nah, 5'6", 5'7" tops, and apart from the sharp haircut and sensible shoes - not screaming 'butch' to me'.

So maybe I was the disappointment, and they are now writing to their MPs demanding to know why their women's toilets have not been supplied with the standard-issue 6' butch lesbian that everybody else seems to have?

I don't want to be funny but the tall lesbians I've known have usually been length without breadth if that makes sense...

And the transmen I've know might look masculine on insta but seem to average out about 5'2" irl...

Should I put in a complaint about the people who don't conform to stereotypes being too stereotypical?

'Passing' being a goal is actually a major argument against giving girls with gender dysphoria puberty blockers then testosterone - they end up being shorter than if they'd gone through natural puberty (as their growth spurt has been suppressed).
Hard to see what trans identifying girls gain from puberty blockers other than a deep voice, which isn't terribly hard to fake.

It is a joke that keeps on giving, back to basics we know what sex people are.

I have been friends with and met a wide variety of females who are a bit “manly”

some are lesbians some are straight.

I also know girly girls who are either lesbian or straight.

And girly girls who do plumbing, or know how to change a tyre.

it is all bollocks.

Arf! 😆But it's a consistent theme, isn't it? Any chance to muddy the waters, to make a straightforward statement appear complex, to search for some possible wedge issue...

What are the rules on barristers found telling lies on social media?

Some useful (I thought) legal opinion here:

https://www.4newsquare.com/private-life-and-social-media-what-role-for-the-bar-standards-board/

Very interesting thanks. Crikey he's sailing close!

I have heard several women mention they have been stopped, usually on the way into the toilets. I think all have short hair and wear androgynous/masculine clothing. But they’re not bothered in the slightest and they say as they turn around and actually speak to the person for 5 seconds, the other person realises immediately they’re female and apologises profusely. So I think it does happen occasionally, but not in this aggressive, policing way that is described.

Miranda Hart has spoken about being addressed as sir sometimes, but I think she is broad-shouldered as well as tall, with short hair.

So many responses to that twit/twat/tweet spring to mind but, on balance, I’m going with:

“JoMo has a wife?”

Not only a wife but a "child bride" apparently.
As if anyone would mistake her for a man because she's had a mastectomy.

I have been missexed several times in my life. I am tall and broad and dress androgynously. Before my mastectomy I had large breasts, which I didn’t camouflage, yet I was still missexed. Since my mastectomy the rate of missexing hasn’t changed, indicating that breast size wasn’t a factor in people thinking I could be male.

I just don’t think breasts size, or lack of, is a characteristic that people commonly draw upon to visually evaluate a person’s sex. I think they are often visually evaluated by men as part of sexual gaze and where no pleasure is delivered, they move on rather than think ‘male’.

Anyone can put on a padded bra, or wear prosthetics. Women can also be naturally flat chested.

JFC that man said "benefits of a child bride'.

Another one of those over here. He's a lying liar who lies.