Today it's Amnesty Internation on Woman's Hour to discuss the Supreme Court judgment

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With Anita Rani. I am not expecting much in the way of challenges.

Wow, you’re filling up the bingo card aren’t you? Now it’s the suicide threat that has been universally acknowledged as false so many times I can’t believe you’re dragging it out again.

Cue anguished response accusing me of being heartless in 3, 2, 1…….

They haven’t finished scolding yet!

You are vile, or at least what you have wrote is vile. The person in question is 18. You don't give a toss about womens rights. Judging by your post, it's merely an opportunity for you to spout more poison into the world.The irony is, you're on here, at 10.15 replying to me while allegedly that you support women's rights, while speaking to me, a woman, like utter crp and simultaneously talking the pss about a young person wanting to take their life. But it's ok when you are shrouded by the cloak of anonymity courtesy of Mumsnet. People like you, or at least how you present online, aren't any better then the incels and Andrew Tates of the world. In fact, you are their direct reflection. Probably a grown woman with kids to. I feel desperately sorry for you.

Jen, did you say earlier that you were born in 1983 and have been on the gay and trans scene for 30 years?

Ive finally had a chance to listen, and I was so flabbergasted from the point when Amnesty Dude was asked about the Darlington nurses that I decided to transcribe it for posterity.

Anita Rani:
We know a group of female nurses in Darlington are currently taking their trust to tribunal for allowing a transwoman to use their single sex changing facilities under a policy of transitioning in the workplace. Why do you believe trans women should be in these spaces?”

Amnesty Dude:
I don't know the specifics of the changing facilities in in that case, but even to use that particular example that you said, for for example, the um if changing facilities or any other kind of facilities are a a space with safeguarding with the right protections for people, regardless of which is any other person that's coming in that space.
That's what anyone deserves from any any kind of space.
I think what I would be reminding people of is this point about the proportionate legitimate need for the exclusion of anyone from any particular service or facility.
So, again, places that may have a large throughput of people, uh places where actually any facility is a private space for changing or anything else.
What would be the argument for the exclusion of anyone from that?
There's obviously in any space, any public space or any private space that any of us are in, we should be protected from any any kind of threat or any danger.
Perhaps again, in this big debate that's happened about one percent of people within society who are are trans, we shouldn't forget that 80% of the of the violence targeted women, much, much too high overall levels of violence, but 80% of that, is from partners, ex partners or friends, the overwhelming, overwhelming amount of which sadly and tragically is from Cis men, men who identify as men.
So that's my the point that I would make about all facility services.
We have an obligation, any of us running organizations, including public organizations, private companies, et cetera, to make sure those services are provided to trans people who cannot be excluded from them, and we need to take that into account in the way that those services are designed and provided, and that has not been affected or changed by that dis judgment, if anything, the Supreme Court reminded us of it.

Anita Rani:
What about the privacy of biological women?

Amnesty Dude:
Privacy is something that all people deserve. Privacy is a right for any of us to have.
I'm not sure why I can quite see the argument that the privacy that any individual deserves in their own life is any more or less required versus anyone from any other different background.
I can't quite see the argument myself as to why the exclusion of some people from services uh from facilities is required for any of us whichever identity that we may have to have the privacy that's our right.

You can’t bully us anymore, we’ve heard it all, all the insults, threats, intimidation, it’s water off a duck’s back. You have no idea who I am just as I have no idea who you are, but what I do know is that you’ve followed the script to the letter -

’I’m a feminist’
‘I’m very close to the gay community’
‘TW are no harm to anyone’
‘I have a close personal friend who’s child is trans and will kill themselves if they can’t transition’
’Men are going to hurt/rape/kill women anyway so why bother to keep them out’

No doubt you’ll be back under a different user name on another thread soon.

"Living life as a trans person, from what I've seen, is hell, as there are very few people who accept you, and most want to actively harm you."

Er, no? Like, really, no? If that's the experience of the trans people in your life, then I'm really sorry for them, but that's certainly not the universal experience of trans people, far from it.

‘Jen’ says a lot of things, none of it’s true.

Living life as a trans person, from what I've seen, is hell, as there are very few people who accept you,

You mean, very few people are prepared to play along with your fantasy. Why should they? What gives you the right to demand others deny reality and lie to everyone about your sex?

@MassiveWordSalad - I take it you've changed your name to reflect Amnesty Dude's 'contribution'!

It's shocking that he went on national radio totally unprepared and came out with that stream of consciousness, or 'garbage' as it's better known.

What a fool.

I don't think these conversations really help anyone, just create more hate, misery and division.

Didn’t they tell you? #NoDebate failed.

I don't know you, but I know myself. I certainly wouldn't come back to this cesspit, particularly one where suicide amongst young people is made fun of. It's not a friend. It's my childrens half sibling, who is FTM. And it's not 'why bother' - that's not my argument, so you have completely ignored what I have said..As someone that's been sa'd, r*aped and suffered dv, all the times I have felt threatened or been harmed is by straight men. There should be protected spaces for females, and gender neutral spaces.

Operation Let Them Speak is working.

Completely incomprehensible! I salute you for having the fortitude to listen to that utter bollocks in order to transcribe it.

Who is making fun of suicide?

i think what he was saying was that as long as it’s not your husband or partner in the changing room, any other random stranger is fine.

where suicide amongst young people is made fun of.

What suicide amongst young people? The evidence is clear that there is no increase in suicide amongst young people associated with trans.

Why do you keep mentioning straight men? Do you think all transwomen are gay men?

I don't think that's quite true. There is an increased risk of suicidal ideation among neurodivergent young people, who are hugely overrepresented among trans-identifying young people. The stats showed that actually transitioning (IIRC in the sense of taking puberty blockers or cross sex hormones) didn't reduce this risk or improve overall mental health on average.

Good Lord. That's difficult to believe. He can't string a single sentence together

And in fact in a lot of cases is the result of other co-morbidities . And those problems are not solved by adopting a trans identity.

How are we supposed to know if a man is straight or gay? Identities as a man or a woman?

There is no increase in suicide associated with being trans. Suicide risks in young people who identify as trans mirror those in young people with the same comorbidities who do not identify as trans.

Plus of course, we know that these children are constantly told by transactivists that they will commit suicide if they don’t transition.

We also know that telling people they're going to take their own lives makes them likelier to do it. I truly believe that there is a cohort of TRAs that is actively trying to get confused, unhappy young people to kill themselves so they can utilise their deaths to erase women's rights.