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AIBU to think that if someone appears on mainstream media MN should not delete the discussion

57 replies

LesserCelandine · 12/05/2025 13:30

Not a repeat of the other threads on one particular person’s appearance on Radio 4 but rather about whether MN should delete threads discussing that appearance or appearance by others on mainstream TV and Radio. I was shocked this morning to see MN had deleted one such thread.

It is one thing to comment on someone trying to live a private life who has been thrust unexpectedly into the limelight. It is another to censor discussion when someone has put themselves forward, especially if what they say breaches the law.

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JasmineAllen · 12/05/2025 14:43

@BeckyAMumsnet
I still don't fully understand why the entire thread was pulled. Why not just delete the offending posts? As far as I could see most posters were not using insults.

KnottyAuty · 12/05/2025 14:44

As someone who did something worthy of getting internet reviews over a 20 year stretch. I can confirm that I certainly dont ever seek them out. I don’t read them myself but get someone to edit out the useful parts about every 5 years or so. I find it weird that someone would go on a mainstream BBC programme and then purposefully look somewhere the comments might not be entirely flattering in order to report them. Or be surprised when theres going to be criticism of poor representation of the law? Or put a detailed and highly personal account of transition - in your own name which isn’t necessary- on the internet for all to see and then complain when that context is brought up? Why seek attention in the first place? Cake. Eat it too.

Iamnotalemming · 12/05/2025 14:49

I posted on that thread earlier and was shocked to have seen it taken down. Late this morning I do not remember any personal comments about appearance. Why couldn't the individual posts that crossed the line be deleted? How disappointing.

thenoisiesttermagant · 12/05/2025 14:57

Wuuman · 12/05/2025 14:40

I’m angry that valuable comments are lost amongst those deemed too personal or whatever.

Do women really have time to write everything out twice? Some of us are also unwell/ disabled so it’s doubly frustrating when trying to read and sometimes comment.

Shows just how much power the likes of RMW have though doesn’t it.

Yes, and how little normal women have in comparison.

Vulnerable minority they are not.

Lark1ane · 12/05/2025 15:08

He was on the fecking radio.
No one could see him.
We could all hear his deep manly voice as he said he was entitled to Our spaces contrary to a Supreme Court Decision clarifying existing law.
Which he misrepresented.

NextRinny · 12/05/2025 15:22

Why delete the whole thread???

Surely delete anything that veered into the personal?

woollyhatter · 12/05/2025 16:11

Why not repost here a take down of his position re his reading of Supreme Court judgement? I found the commentary quite illuminating.

Maybe the good judges may come across it and be bemused that a qualified member of their bar might have quite a “eccentric” interpretation of their 80 page ruling.

WarriorN · 12/05/2025 16:41

I started that thread and have had no notification as to why it was deleted

WarriorN · 12/05/2025 16:43

RMW compared themselves with a young boy - asking why could a boy go in to the women’s loos with his mother and RMW couldn’t.

the problem here is that RMW is an adult male. It’s not breaking the law to say that nor is it offensive. It’s objective reality.

WarriorN · 12/05/2025 16:48

Carrelli · 12/05/2025 14:01

Perhaps there is a legal hold up.

BBC sounds have still not released this morning’s episode

it’s there now.

third piece on iirc.

wont let me share it for some reason

PetaltotheMedal · 12/05/2025 16:58

FFS, delete a whole thread because some posts commented on his appearance and behaviour but it's okay for him to unjustly criticise and want to shut all women, apart from his fawners, up. Way to go.

thenoisiesttermagant · 12/05/2025 17:07

WarriorN · 12/05/2025 16:43

RMW compared themselves with a young boy - asking why could a boy go in to the women’s loos with his mother and RMW couldn’t.

the problem here is that RMW is an adult male. It’s not breaking the law to say that nor is it offensive. It’s objective reality.

Edited

Maybe trans age will be the next thing 😞

And the answer is safeguarding. It's glaringly obvious safeguarding is an alien concept to him. There's a reason it's usually boys up to 8 or so go in the women's with their mothers then in the men's. It's called male puberty, which I believe Robin has some lived experience of.

Incidentally I have had several conversations with Mums really worried about their sons going alone into the men's from about 8/9 if no Dad around because it's adult males who commit most sex crimes and we all know this.

Third spaces are good for these situations too.

WarriorN · 12/05/2025 17:42

As MrsOvertonsWindow has pointed out elsewhere, the trans community do rather like to use children as shields. The concept of the trans child is valuable for adults to cement the idea that they always were. Instead of the man who “came out” aged 65 after spending too much time on the internet on certain sites.

Keeptoiletssafe · 12/05/2025 17:49

thenoisiesttermagant · 12/05/2025 17:07

Maybe trans age will be the next thing 😞

And the answer is safeguarding. It's glaringly obvious safeguarding is an alien concept to him. There's a reason it's usually boys up to 8 or so go in the women's with their mothers then in the men's. It's called male puberty, which I believe Robin has some lived experience of.

Incidentally I have had several conversations with Mums really worried about their sons going alone into the men's from about 8/9 if no Dad around because it's adult males who commit most sex crimes and we all know this.

Third spaces are good for these situations too.

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I used to think they were a good idea then I researched and found third spaces aren’t that great because they are private rooms where you can’t be seen or heard.

I sympathise with the boys going into male toilets alone by 9/10. If there’s door gaps it makes the toilets safer as there’s a degree of visibility so everyone can see how many there are in the cubicle and hear what’s going on. So hopefully it would prevent behaviour happening in the first place.

It not ideal but I have found that it seems to be privacy that causes safety problems.

If the third spaces also had door gaps that would be radical but safer. I don’t think the country is ready for that yet!

allstarsuperstar · 12/05/2025 17:54

What's he got over you?

JamieCannister · 12/05/2025 17:56

BeckyAMumsnet · 12/05/2025 14:25

Hi all, We're happy to clarify why the previous thread was deleted. We absolutely do allow discussion of public figures and their media appearances, and we're not in the business of shielding people from criticism, particularly where public commentary or legal arguments are involved. But we also expect threads to stick to the substance of what’s been said or done in the public domain rather than veering into personal territory. In this case, the thread had crossed that line for us. The fact that the person is also a Mumsnet user added an extra layer, and on balance, we felt removal was the right call.
We’re not trying to stifle discussion by any means but we do ask that it stays forthright without tipping into the personal, as that helps no one.
Thanks.

What was personal? I know I mentioned his hobbies, hobbies which I know he has because he talks about them on his social media and/or Antiques Roadshow on BBC1

Keeptoiletssafe · 12/05/2025 18:12

I just got an email to say 20 people had reacted to my post but when I clicked the link it was the thread that was gone! Frustrating.

It would have been nice for there to have been a debate.

Wuuman · 12/05/2025 18:24

The conversation has now fractured over 2 topic threads and this deletion which is even more frustrating! Thanks MN.

IDareSay · 12/05/2025 18:32

RMW has put so much information in the public domain, it hardly seems fair to penalise people for discussing it.

https://x.com/SVPhillimore/status/1921980898339090687

https://x.com/SVPhillimore/status/1921980898339090687

DogPawsMud · 12/05/2025 19:13

How very ironic that a quick internet search immediately threw up examples of this person being very personal indeed about Maya Forstater on Twitter/X.
Seems this person can give but not take.

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 12/05/2025 21:15

WarriorN · 12/05/2025 16:43

RMW compared themselves with a young boy - asking why could a boy go in to the women’s loos with his mother and RMW couldn’t.

the problem here is that RMW is an adult male. It’s not breaking the law to say that nor is it offensive. It’s objective reality.

Edited

Did he now? How odd. Why would he compare himself to a male child, if he is definitely a woman?
But then again, I understand he also argued that GC women should have their own separate toilets if they don’t want to share with him. Um, yes, I think lots of us can get on board with that, Rob.
He’s a bit of a dullard.

As for personal comments, are threads about Meghan Markle and Katie Price deleted in their entirety as soon as the inevitable personal attacks start? Or is it just that FWR is being policed differently, yet again?

ScrollingLeaves · 13/05/2025 19:33

IDareSay · 12/05/2025 18:32

RMW has put so much information in the public domain, it hardly seems fair to penalise people for discussing it.

https://x.com/SVPhillimore/status/1921980898339090687

I noticed this on RMW’s blog and it seems salient:

The serious point, if there is one, is that I have no intention of throwing away or denying the parts of me which have made me me and which I enjoy. There is no prospect of my taking up cross-stitch or flower arrangeing in the near future.

RMW will of course be the man he always was -but just in a cosmetically constructed vaguely female-appearing body and stereotypical female clothes.

SirChenjins · 13/05/2025 19:42

RMW is a man who presents his idea of womanhood to the world. Like all TW, he remains as male as he was on the day he was born. I have no problem with him wishing to present in that way, the world would be a boring place if we were all the same - but his refusal to accept that women have the right to refuse him is a male trait we’re all acutely aware of.