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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Facebook 'friend' educates me on feminism and transgender people- Round 2

90 replies

GreenFriedTomato · 03/05/2025 00:33

Background- I rarely use Facebook these days but I occasionally post the odd article. A year ago I posted an article about a trans identified male who was playing in a woman's football team. A woman I've met socially a few times but only superficially, responded to my post, called me a bigot ,how sad it was that I'd joined the far right, proceeded to lecture me for hours and sent numerous links to 'research'.
She disappeared and hasn't interacted with me since

Yesterday however a mutual FB friend posted somerhing complimentary about Trump and she included in her response 'transgender people aren't the huge problems they want you to believe'

I politely challenged her citing the erosion of women's rights and single sex spaces, and asked her why she seems to care more about trans issues than womens and here is her response.

Note that this was on someone else's wall, so it wasn't appropriate to continue but I couldn't let it stand. I replied to a couple of points (statistics of crimes commited by TIM and her conflation of transgenderism with DSD) and agreed to discuss further privately on messenger. On the condition she ditch the attitude.

She considers herself an intellectual and that she is far more knowledgeable than me because she has a degree in gender studies.

Here it is. Any thoughts? (Btw, I never turned against her. Our last message was let's take a break and discuss again another time and it was all very friendly- and then we never interacted again until this. And we were never good friends. Just acquaintances. We know nothing about each other)

Wow...You don't really think my feminism is a threat against the world, do you? Why don't you take a look at yourself and ask why we were once good friends and why you turned against me only because there were some opinions we didn't agree on? Are you jealous of me, or what is it? We are both blonde and attractive and know the same friends. You know that the town is big enough for both of us, don't you?

It seems that you have misunderstood what feminism is. It's a political movement which is often based on gender research, and strives for equal opportunities. Feminism in my country has given MEN the right to custody, child care and neutral custody proceedings. Did you believe that feminism was only to promote women? I understand an Egyptian man would believe so, because they have no exposure to the outside world and no quality education. But a European woman should know better.

Yes today's feminism is about the erosion of women's rights. Those are reproductive rights, right to the autonomy of your own body/abortion, the rights to education and rights to many of those things you mention.
All of these groups are under attack from the 1% and the right wing establishment. They have ALL been defunded and are under threat by the Trump administration and the far right both in your own country and in those of the EU. The right wingers use the very propaganda you parrot to convince people like yourself that something is under threat that really isn't (there's no transgender mafia that is taking over) and that you don't have to care about your own rights, such as free higher education (something's that the UK don't even have), free daycare for single parents (most often women who otherwise will loose their career because men don't take their parent responsibly) daddy's leave (again so that women don't just stay home and loose their career and so that men get the rights to their children and that young boys and girls grow up with less crimes as criminality in young men has a direct link to absent fathers).

This seems to be too complicated for the masses, perhaps even to you? But these research findings is just a simple Google click away for anyone who is genuinely interested and who doesn't just want to bicker with an old friend for unknown reasons.

But people with less power, marginalized and vulnerable are not only women. It's immigrants, disabled, mentally challenged, the HBTQL community etc etc. Transgender people are one of these vulnerable groups. Have you never heard about "rule and divide"? The right wingers use any meager understanding of history and feminism and politics in general, and heterosexual men's fear of locker rooms (where men are the most vulnerable in today's society) and the lack of women's understanding of where you got your rights politically and historically, so that you'll turn on someone more vulnerable than yourself, and so that you'll vote against your own interests and rights.

There is absolutely 0% research that supports that there's been assaults by transgender people in shared bathrooms, there is ZERO research supporting that there's men "who pretend to be women" (transgender is a very specific biological condition which is both physical and mental and is sometimes recorded at birth because of underdeveloped genitals), and there's absolutely no research found on rape cases from transgenders that is higher than rape in any other group. Again, it's a just a Google search away. Obscure YouTube alternative clips don't count, but actual peer-reviewed research. It's not hard to find.

Please write a private message on messenger and try to be direct with me. Why are you so upset with me? There must be an issue you have with me that explains why you jump at me for no reason whatsoever other than me not agreeing with your conspiracy theories.

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DoRayMeMeMe · 03/05/2025 06:29

GreenFriedTomato · 03/05/2025 00:43

Yeah, I'm actually mousey brown but that was the first weird comment. Then something in the middle about heterosexual men being the most vulnerable group in mens locker rooms. I am actually curious where she's got her ideas from because the stats are there to see-with a simple 'Google click'

Then you can say “I think your intellect is as fake as my blonde hair.”

CaptainFuture · 03/05/2025 06:36

There is absolutely 0% research that supports that there's been assaults by transgender people in shared bathroom
Is she ignoring the trans assaults of women in female toilets? The infamous 'Katie Dowlasaki'?

LeftieRightsHoarder · 03/05/2025 07:04

I’m so glad I wasn’t drinking when I read She considers herself an intellectual and that she is far more knowledgeable than me because she has a degree in gender studies.

I would have snorted coffee out of my nose. So uncouth.

SquirrelSoShiny · 03/05/2025 07:11

'Gender studies'. Two words which, as a degree subject, convey a thousand words.

Boudiccaofsteel · 03/05/2025 07:12

Can you get Chat GPT to translate that word salad?

TeaAndCakeMakeThingsBetter · 03/05/2025 07:12

I’d just drop her a link to this which has come from the UN Human Rights special rapporteur - hard to argue with what she’s written!

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/05/special-rapporteur-welcomes-landmark-uk-judgment-sex-based-protections

Musclewoman · 03/05/2025 07:34

This is why I rarely bother with facebook, too many self entitled people see it as a platform to give off sanctimonious wordy rants.

Stepfordian · 03/05/2025 09:21

Do you remember that Colleen Rooney quote about playing chess with a pigeon (or was it Vardy?) well that applies here.

mumda · 03/05/2025 09:41

You can't argue with stupid.

Although I prefer the "Don't wrestle with pigs, they enjoy it and you get muddy"

Firealarm1414 · 03/05/2025 09:45

She sounds like an AI bot. How sad

RinklyRomaine · 03/05/2025 09:49

Both blonde and attractive? I wouldn’t be able to respond to that crap, never mind all the nonsense after.

WithSilverBells · 03/05/2025 09:52

We are both blonde and attractive

I would tell her she needs to retake Feminism 101. Tell her you will chat after she gets a course credit

anyolddinosaur · 03/05/2025 09:54

If you want to reply - unfortunately you have demonstrated that you are a bigot who will not even consider opposing argument and a fool who has fallen for unscientific studies falsely claiming to be research. You have no rational argument so have to resort to childish name calling. One day perhaps you will come to your senses but until then I have nothing to say to you.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 03/05/2025 09:54

Feminism in my country has given MEN the right to custody, child care and neutral custody proceedings.
Yes, sure. Because before feminism MEN couldn't get custody of their kids. 🤣

They just had ALL right over the wife, kids, house, property etc etc

crumpet · 03/05/2025 09:56

I would have just responded with a smiley face (or laughing depending on my mood) and otherwise ignored

Dragonfly97 · 03/05/2025 09:56

Few spelling & grammar mistakes there, not to mention the batshit lunacy! Sounds like she's been drinking the KoolAid!! 😆

Soontobe60 · 03/05/2025 09:59

My response would be along the lines of
“You're entitled to believe whatever nonsense you like, however I’m surprised that you’re so openly racist with your assertion that Egyptian men have no exposure to the outside world and no quality education.”

ThisHangrySheep · 03/05/2025 10:01

You know that the town is big enough for both of us, don't you?

Who does she think she is, Clit Eastwood?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/05/2025 10:04

I would reply, "I don't think your feminism is feminism, to be honest. If you think that the rights of male "women" should trump the rights of female women, which is what you are saying every time you support male athletes competing in women's sports or male offenders being housed in women's prisons, or even, let's face it, male people using women's toilets, you are explicitly prioritising male people over female people. You aren't a feminist, you are just identifying as one, which we all know is not the same thing."

BellissimoGecko · 03/05/2025 10:13

‘Transgender … is sometimes recorded at birth due to underdeveloped genitals’

If she doesn’t even know the difference between being trans and having a DSD, don’t bother engaging. She is a tool.

LadySpartan · 03/05/2025 10:15

Internalised sexism and racism. The implication that she is inherently better/attractive/more intelligent through her hair colour and level of (western) education is a bit of a self own and horribly arrogant.

Her belief that "European women" should know better is quite something.

Pedantry about her grammatical mistakes when writing in a second language isn't a strong argument though.

I think she is much less clever than she thinks. The pigs and pigeons sayings are right.

Alucard55 · 03/05/2025 10:20

I wouldn't engage with that other to say biological men should not be in women's single sex spaces. These debates are getting ridiculous now.

UrsulasHerbBag · 03/05/2025 10:20

Fuck off and don’t contact me again you mad bastard. Just send that and block.

Fubbs · 03/05/2025 10:27

ThisHangrySheep · 03/05/2025 10:01

You know that the town is big enough for both of us, don't you?

Who does she think she is, Clit Eastwood?

This is BRILLIANT!

StressedLP1 · 03/05/2025 10:27

Boudiccaofsteel · 03/05/2025 07:12

Can you get Chat GPT to translate that word salad?

Just give a thumbs up.

Overt racism and internalised sexism for sure but you can’t reason with someone so flipperty yap-yap.