It’s all a bit ‘cringe’

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Has anyone else with teenagers noticed how they seem to think the whole trans movement is just a bit ‘cringe’ — as my 15yo DD would put it?
They’re just not taken in by it at all. If anything, they see it as attention-seeking and I can see my dd and her friend’s inwardly eye roll when they’re talking about it. It gives me hope for the future generations

That's great to hear, hoping there's a lot of that retained.

Not sure the pps with groups of boys mocking and laughing at gender non conforming kids should be quite so complacent though.

I dont disagree, but that's where need to remember those two tracks: the middle aged TWAW and the young teen girls looking for a way to be gender non conforming. In schools it was the latter.

Do you really think these boys school pupils are coming at this from a position of feminism, as you are?! Really?

What’s cringe is the endlessly crowing of the gender critical movement, and I say that as a supporter of the Supreme Court results. It’s as though Reform is in charge of the campaign, or something. Grow up, ffs.

It's only been a week, after ten years of being cancelled! So not endless.... yet.

But I do agree this gives us the backing to move on and start dismantling gender which is more restrictive than ever!

My DD is largely GC but has a lot of trans friends at college. She agrees with me that the SC ruling is good for women but has sympathy for the people disappointed by this - the kids she knows aren't TRA's they just kids like her. Talking about this with her I think the SC ruling is good for places where sex matters - sports, healthcare, safeguarding but in people's day to day lives it shouldn't have so much impact. She's also autistic and fell on the side of not understanding how a man could just say they're a woman (and vice versa) and everyone just nod along with that but equally is perfectly happy to use preferred names/pronouns. In her cohort there seems to be a better harmony with knowing someone is a certain sex but being relaxed about how they want to present and be addressed. Which seems to be a return to a mindset of reality with kindness and acceptance.

My step daughter is gen alpha and she is THE GOAT - she complained about trans girls being allowed to compete for scholarships designed for women in STEM ( she is in the USA). Just ask her about trans though , hilarious- she rolls her eyes- “they so, like, narcissistic” she finds them ‘cringe’

This is again wonderful.
Interesting that two posters have reported their daughters kind and inclusive attitudes. Then some that their middle class boys just 'find it hilarious'.... how accepting are they of effeminate or gay boys in their class I wonder?

We still have a lot of work to do.

DD14 thinks it's all just a bollocks cult & the few people who openly say they're trans are all looked on as attention-seeking weirdos.

DD20, is at uni, a feminist and very much heterosexual herself, but she is much more sympathetic towards the trans community than DD14, and of her two closest friends one is "pan" and one is "gender fluid". So I take from this, that the whole trans thing is alive and well, and still needs to be tiptoed around in the ~20 ish age group. This seems to fit with what other posters are saying.

Same here. DC1 is in uni where it has a stronger hold so is quietly GC. DC2 is in sixth form and says many of their friends are fed up of having it shoved down their throats. Teen girls are far more on board with gender identity politics than the boys. At uni it’s more mixed.

Yes, this is the case at my daughter's school. The people who believe it aren't cool, quite the opposite - they are pitiful figures and people are a bit embarrassed for them even though individually they can be quite sweet kids. Even the people who will "be kind" don't actually believe it though.

It makes me proud!

I have a teenage boy, currently stereotypically male, short hair, loves football etc. It’s a bit reductive to imply that if boys like him think the trans movement is daft it means they don’t accept gender non conformity. He absolutely does and is completely accepting of people who dress or wear their hair differently he just thinks that they’re still the same sex they always were and they are not anymore special than anyone else. I would say he and his friends have a far better understanding than I did at that age of misogyny structural racism and disability discrimination. I’m getting very tired of the toxic masculinity trope being levelled at teenage boys, it’s damaging and for the vast majority of the ones I know it’s not true.

my teen boys amd friends definitely find trans cringe and attention seeking. They are very sick of it being shoved down their throats in PHSE. They dont care about hairstyles or people being gay.

Good for your daughter!! How badly lost is the school leadership when they incentivise kids participating in an ideology with VERY close links to porn and paedophilia? And then accuse dd of being homophobic??

I have a gay teenage son who secretly hates it. All the LGBT youth support groups are taken up with it and dominate it so there is no support for LGB kids.
He is still very kind to them as he’s a kind person, but he sees them as confused and is repelled by the idea of having a relationship with a trans boy.

Interesting. Why do you think that the positive reaction to the SC result is ‘endlessly crowing’?

That sounds like the words a misogynist would use to silence women. I’m not calling you a misogynist but those are the sort of words.

Also why do you think a positive reaction to a slow return of sanity and a reinstatement is women’s rights is ‘cringe’? You support the SC result but you think that women should keep our feelings and sense of relief to ourselves? Why?

Old millennial here (1981) and also TWAM.
BUT, I do think it's millennials who are transing their own kids, thereby creating a whole new generation of believers...

@napody
You seem intent on labelling all teenage boys as right wing, misogynistic, toxically masculine Andrew Tate devotees. Do you actually know any teenage boys?

I'm pretty certain that a new youth fad will take its place. Every generation has some voguish way to express non conformity.

Good question OP. One of DDs friends who said she was ‘non binary’ has totally ditched it in the way you would ditch an embarrassing hairstyle your mum cut for you when you were young.

The kids report that it was a thing for the oddbods but I think it has fizzled out completely in their school. A boy who paraded around in clothes no girl would have been allowed to wear (6th form) has finished school and left.

Yes, I am raising my son to be actively supportive of feminism, if that’s what you are asking?

I dunno. I was in a cafe the other day and overheard a teenage girl chatting to some older women (presumably mum’s friends?) about how some days she feels ‘like a girl’ and some days she feels ‘like a boy’. And it seemed that she had friends that felt the same. And I wanted to jump in and say ‘but what does that MEAN????’ How can you feel ‘like a girl’ when surely you just feel like yourself / a human?

That is because everything has become marketised and made into a product in a very american way.

Sex based differences wil always be there.......and capitalism and the market economy ( and now pharmaceuticals) cashes in on them, selling them back to people in inflated forms. But there will will always be those that resist.

'Gender' itself is a product

And of course the "odd bods" are almost certainly likely to be autistic.

Yes, this is definitely a generational trend that involves people of a certain age, and most often of a certain social background, and their children. It won't last forever.

Yep first noticed a couple of years ago amongst my teenage/ young adult relatives (who are otherwise typically left wing). They seemed to still have some sympathy for close friends but generally to be eye rolling and taking the piss of anything gender identity related.

I predicted this because the trans rights movement is one of the biggest fun-sponges out there and fuck knows young people need the space to enjoy life on this screwed up planet we're handing them.