It’s all a bit ‘cringe’

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Has anyone else with teenagers noticed how they seem to think the whole trans movement is just a bit ‘cringe’ — as my 15yo DD would put it?
They’re just not taken in by it at all. If anything, they see it as attention-seeking and I can see my dd and her friend’s inwardly eye roll when they’re talking about it. It gives me hope for the future generations

The school toilets at her school will have to change now.

My kids have no time for it and think it's nonsense.

It's particularly affected my youngest b/c the special identity kids in his secondary have been allowed to bully other children, quite viciously at times, and there have been occasions where some of the staff have gleefully joined in with it. I at one point had a phone call from his head of year to tell me he'd said 'there are only two sexes' to another pupil and that this was unacceptable. I mean WTF.

Most people, especially women of all ages that I have spoken too are non onboard with trans ideology at all, even if they were its lost its cachet in the last year or so.

I think that of the women who are still in the thrall of gender ideology, they will grow out of it as they gain more experience in dealing with men and their socialisation to be kind and inclusive and to no assume the worst of people begins to fall away.

It is interesting because one thread of hope the proponents of trans ideology hang on to is that the gender critical movement is made up of older women and will die out as the current crop age out and die. What they fail to comprehend is that even those women who support them now will, as the scales fall from their eyes turn away from them and take up the mantle from the women now being decried as dinosaurs. Most women reach this point in with men as they get older, have gained experience and see how males in general exploit and abuse women. Men of course like to demonise these women as hags, bitter, dried up and so on but really it is just what happens after a lifetime of experience with men and seeing how the world works.

The gender critical movement will never die out, perhaps if no man murders, beats, abuses or rapes a woman for a 1000 years but we'll be a long time waiting for that, they can't even go 5 minutes without hurting one of us.

DS joked about claiming trans/NB status as a way of securing one of the single rooms at his preferred uni college. At the open day we were told that students with a medical or "societal" need would be given preference.
He reckoned that wearing lippy & dangley earrings for the first few weeks would be worth it😁

God I hope you're right. The media gives me the opposite impression, but maybe it's people in media who are a bit niche?!

I definitely think the media makes it appear that there is far more support for trans ideology than there actually is. My oldest two children are in their twenties and seem a little more hesitant to speak about it with their peers. However, they are both still very GC. My DS is in his final year at university and says that very few students are interested in it now, and my eldest describes it as a mental illness.

My 14 yr old says she wants to be kind but sent me a meme about a bloke wanting to employ trans women cos they’re as strong as men but charge less.

That's made think of Klinger jn M.A.S.H if anyone on here remembers that! 😁

I do vaguely remember it @BunnyLake but I'm sure DS's comment was prompted by the huge lad in pearls, with earrings down to his shoulders, who was on the same college tour as us. It wasn't cruel or sneering just an quick nod to how nebulous the ideology is, plus an acknowledgement of the 'sacred caste' idea that no one would ever misuse their special status for selfish ends.
I think running repeats of MASH would probably lead to a few lightbulb moments among young viewers.

@BunnyLake I remember Corporal Klinger very well. He dressed as a woman in the hope that they’d think he had a mental health problem and send him home. It mostly got ignored 😹

They treated it the way it should have been treated these last few years. Everyone treated Klinger with respect, he could wear what he wanted but there’s no one thinking he might actually pass as a woman. I know he had ulterior motives but so do a whole bunch of current ‘Klingers’.

I commented about boys because i have sons, not daughters. And I actually said my sons and their friends think it is cringe and attention-seeking and they;re sick of it - and by that I was thinking of some of their friends inclduing a girlfriend and a female best friend who express the same ideas using the same language as the boys do.

As usual though, the adult pushing it and ramming it down everyone's throats have done a disservice to the 'oddballs' and autistic kids who will find it even harder to try and fit in and get through the teenage years as they've attached themseleves to a cause that is now widely derided (ex-teenage goth so understand it).

You're right though, the 20 somethings at a class I go to are still very much 'drag queens, slay, non-binary, be kind to trans people, TWAW etc' so it has definitely peaked in whatever generation they are I think.

Yes, I have a 14 year old DD and she and her friends think it is all “just attention seeking” and really really don’t want unisex toilets in school, boys in their changing rooms or in their sports.

Yes, I've noticed this. I don't know if we're at full cringe yet, but there's definitely a studied lack of interest among teens. No more stunning and brave handclaps. More awkward "just pretend they're not embarrassing themselves" silence. The willingness to engage has gone way down among the normies.

The weathervane I'm really watching is fan spaces. Girl nerd culture. This whole thing originated there, so when it dies in fandom, I'll consider it truly dead.

DD (y9) had a friend who was using a gender neutral name and identifying as NB but I’ve noticed in recent weeks when mentioned DD uses her actual name again so she’s either dropped the name or DD is tired of the mental gymnastics.

However, a teammate (with autism) has recently had to leave a sports team DD plays on as she is allegedly taking testosterone - I’m dubious as she’s 13 or 14 so I’m not sure how she could have got hold of it - I just find it really sad as she’s a talented sportsperson who (if it’s true) will not be able to play the sport with girls again.

My 2 teen girls think it’s in total cringe.

I am worried about younger kids coming up though. The ones the Millennials etc have been grooming via the school system since kindergarten.

remember TRAs have many long games.

Irish here. My 16yo DD & 13yo DS think anything trans or pronoun related is deeply embarrassing. It's something, like blue hair, that only "old people" like teachers or uni students are into.

DD's friends are perfectly accepting of gay kids, they are into everything 90s, the boys wear eyeliner and grow their fringes long etc, so they are hardly conforming to gender stereotypes. it's kind of weird having multiple young Jarvis Cockers constantly drooping around the house but they are nice kids.

DS's friends are just sporty and have no interest in gender issues. They did get very annoyed among themselves that their primary school had replaced the Irish flag at the front of the school with the trans flag for pride month.

Up here in Scotland that's my ds and his cohort, ww even have the schools allowing kids to dress as wolves etc and kids suspended for stating biological reality and the majority of kids are rejecting it, in the main because it's coming from teachers and other authority figures. Basically gender ideology has been to successful in normalising and promoting it

My 18 yo daughter agrees.

She is living in halls in a mixed flat of 8. All but one of them is moving into the same shared house next year. When I asked why the one girl wasn't moving in with them, she ssaid he rest of them (m&f) had collectively agreed not to include her because she has male 'girlfriend' and identifies as a cat herself.

They're just not interested in dealing with the nonsense.

Children & teens often have a very strong sense of justice. Giving a sacred caste special privileges that appear undeserved is going to piss off the rest fairly quickly.

She had to explain that to the idiot supposed to be teaching her? 🤯