Does anyone else feel disheartened?

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I was so elated at the ruling and the implications for women's sex-based protections.

And I am happy that certain media outlets have realised (begrudgingly in some cases) that refusing to air the concerns of women over the last decade has lead to a very one-sided debate. It's great to see orgs such as Sex Matters being quoted so extensively now.

However, I'm really disheartened by the sheer scale of the push back and by the fact that so many women don't support the ruling. I mean, why would anyone think that women don't deserve fair and safe sporting opportunities, for example? Why is it always women that are expected to forgo their rights?

The Supreme Court ruling should be definitive, but it doesn't feel like the end. There is the judge bringing the case to the ECHR (I know some legal experts have dismissed any chances of success), but I think activists are going to pile a lot of pressure on the government to make concessions and look at amending the law. The disquiet about the ruling amongst so many Labour MPs about the ruling is concerning me.

Is anyone else feeling a bit dejected?

Yes. The British public dislike bullies. They also hate when men threaten women with violence and rape. I mean, the trans protests the other week definitely opened a lot of eyes. Not really a good look to be issuing death threats whilst also claiming to be a vulnerable minority is it?

maybe look at who the bullies are in this scenario? Hint. It’s not women….

Because TRAs aren't Jo Public. They did some very impressive work on institutional capture, but they don't represent public opinion and now that awareness of what's been going on is growing, most people don't like it.

Abusive men are all on your side of the fence. Russell Brand, Glinner, Matt Walsh, Lawrence Fox, Andrew Tate. Rod Liddle, Tommy Robinson. They all "know what a woman is" though so they get a platform for you to benefit from.

As I said before, you spit on a lot of good women when you spit on my life. And then you wonder why they say no to you.

That is the complete opposite of what this thread is about.

Ok mate. Let's see how it all works out, shall we?

Most people are just glad they don't have to play along with this "gender identity" bullshit any more.

Hahahahahaha. No. They’re not the ones issuing death threats, rape threats, getting women sacked and refusing to let women speak just for asserting their rights. Unfortunately the law is the law. Women have the right to spaces without men in them. We didn’t write the law. We’re just following it.

We have no issue with you existing. We just state that we don't want you in womens spaces. Because we need them and have a right to them.

Usual tactic of listing a bunch of objectionable men and then claiming we're somehow allied to them. Seen it all before, haven't you realised yet that this lazy rhetoric doesn't work?

No-one believes your fairy story that trans people are insane bullies, tantruming, intimidating and sulking their way through life. The more you denigrate, dehumanise and vilify us, the more obvious who is being harmed and who is doing the harming becomes.

The Supreme Court ruling affirmed our status as a minority demographic, and worthy of protection by UK society. You might be less confused by people's reaction to your constant monstering of us if you respected that.

We always did. We suggested third spaces.

But TRAs didn't want those, they wanted the women's.

And then the death and rape threats and the sackings started.

Retcon history all you like but the solution was there all along. It just didn't play along with the LARP.

Nope. Women's spaces is the vehicle, trans elimination has been the stated goal of Gender Critical / TE rad fem thinking for decades. You only got out the fringes because religious conservatives saw you as useful fodder for their agenda.

Yes dear.

Nothing disappointed me more than Stella Creasy's essay in response to the ruling.
All "boo hoo isn't it terrible and I still support all of the most marginalized group in the world..."
Marginalized??????
Having the support of the entire Labour party and Scottish government isn't marginalized.

Anyway.

Yes I'm disappointed.

But you must remember, these are the same people who for the past decade and maybe more have been making these trans ideology demands on society and living in an echo chamber bubble, discounting JKR as a "terf"
(A terf ? What's that? Oh it's basically a witch who wants to kill all trans people).

I feel sorry for them. Because now they have to admit not only were they wrong for that entire time, but also terfs don't really exist either. It's a lot to process. It's very hard to admit that you're wrong.

Many of us don’t need to believe it. We have experienced it and witnessed it in our professional and personal lives. TRA’s are always going on about ‘lived experience’, are you denying ours?

I like threads like this. Women exploring complex feelings about being assertive, standing up for our rights, child safeguarding and all the years of being given the offensive message that a woman is any man who says he is. Of course there's a mix of emotions, especially after all the emotionally incontinent / threatening diatribes and demos in the last few weeks.

The last weeks have been the usual "Operation Let Them Speak" from transactivists DARVOing all over the place and hurling around insults, threats and abuse.

The SC quite rightly emphasised the importance of both Gender Reassignment and Sex as protected characteristics. Fury should be reserved for all the organisations that made such vicious and relentless attacks on women and the safeguarding of children to the extent that men believed women's sport, changing rooms, hospital wards, even the word woman was theirs for the taking. Not to mention the gaslighting of even the youngest of children that their bodies could be flawed with a sex change being the cure.

No more. #nodebate is over. A shame that few transactivists seem to have the emotional intelligence or insight to reflect that a respectful campaign that didn't trample all over women's rights and the need to safeguard children might have generated more support from the general public.

What you just wrote is a farcical "retcon" of history.

Like other religions and cults that are based upon sexist beliefs, you are free to live your life based on such beliefs as long as it doesn't impinge on the rights of others.

Sorry but what a load of total rubbish.

Are you USA based? Religious conservatives aren't really a thing / movement in the UK.

We just don't want men in women's spaces. It really is as simple as that. The massive overreach into sports, prisons etc has spurred action to protect our sex based rights, as now confirmed by our UK Supreme Court.

Self-Id nonsense whereby anyone could claim their right to be in women's spaces is what has caused you problems - women rose and said enough is enough. We gave an inch, you took 100 miles.

This.
The evidence is everywhere in workplaces, the tribunals, the media and most tragically families and communities. But as we see, insight and the emotional intelligence that allows people to reflect on their mixed emotions is sadly lacking in the trans ideology.. Which is why this thread is great as women explore conflicting emotions about all this.

I have realised lately that a lot of my sentences begin "My husband says.." but nonetheless, my husband says its all about the money. You won't get insurance and you will get sued and lose money...follow the money!

What you just wrote is a farcical "retcon" of history.

Oh bejeesus.

Someone obviously missed all of the photos of trans erections that were sent to JKR's "The Ikabog" thread on Twitter which was aimed at children.

Or the Maya Forstater sacking case tribunal.

Or the "decapitate terfs" sign held next to the Scottish Prime minister - enforced by the Scottish prime minister.

Or the being punched in the face by a trans at speakers corner.......

I'm really baffled by being accused of gaslighting when all I did was state facts and the legal basis of the SC judgment. Amongst all the posts I've seen, I've never seen one which shows the poster to have an excessive fear of trans people.
There is a reasonable, evidenced-based 'fear' of males in the face of the fact that males are bigger, stronger, more violent and more criminal than females are, and have the weight of millenia of patriarchy behind them and are consequently imbued with a strong sense of entitlement. And unfortunately many males who say they are transwomen do come across as very stereotypically male. It's OK on the internet, though I sometimes find the aggression a bit much, but I wouldn't want to come across it in a female-only space.

trans elimination has been the stated goal of Gender Critical / TE rad fem thinking for decades.

Trans "elimination" ?? 😆😂

The elimination of the meaning of words has been the stated goal of TRA thinking for decades more like.

It was the independent judges of the UK Supreme Court who ruled that under the Equality Act 2010 the protected characteristic of sex means biological sex i.e. the sex you are born with. They explicitly ruled that female single sex spaces are for those born female only & not for those who were born male. This has been the law for the last fifteen years which the SC clarified. It is not anew law just an old law that has been deliberately misinterpreted.

Sorry that you were sold a lie by Stonewall & the other TRAs but it should have been obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that the PC of sex can only refer to biological sex. The PC of sexual orientation needs to reference biological sex as gay men are attracted to biological males while lesbians are attracted to biological females. Finally before you can have the PC of gender reassignment you need to know biological sex that is being changed. Any other interpretation than sex = biological sex is totally illogical.