Trans former judge to take government to ECHR

[CervixSampler]

Trans former judge is taking the government to the European Court of Human Rights over SC ruling

Mcloud is not going to win that 1. He was resident in the UK at the time he applied as such he had no right to intervened in the hearing, he also wasn't on trail so article 6 doesn't apply either. Clearly he is trying to throw anything and everything at the ruling hoping that he'll get a hearing instead of being told to do one which is what he'll get

If McCloud lives in ROI how does a UK ruling impact on his civil rights

Exactly. There's a reason Denton advised making changes under cover of other, popular, legislation rather than in its own right.

Transformer 😂

Indeed. Plus the whole 'he doesn't live here' thing.

I can't take the Greek government to the ECtHR for infringing my civil rights by raising the retirement age. Because I don't live in Greece and won't get a Greek pension - at any age.

Without wishing to dox anyone, I suspect he could argue sufficient standing in England.

But that doesn’t change the fact that his rights weren’t breached by women’s rights having been confirmed.

Civil right to what, I wonder?

I think the fundamental problem is that no court can actually change someone’s sex and rights have to be balanced.

@TheOtherRaven

Thank you! Explained so clearly.

Well yes, if Stonewall law (self-ID, etc) had actually been the law, then perhaps he could argue his civil rights had been impacted.

But the SC confirmed that Stonewall law was never the law, so the rights he mistakenly believed he had never actually existed in the first place, and thus cannot possibly have been impacted.

If he has a problem with that, he really needs to take it up with Stonewall and the orgs (including the government) who listened to Stonewall and other lobby groups, as the law never gave him the right to be treated as a biological woman in the first place.

That bloke in the beret who urged people to punch a TERF ( and was returned to prison whence he was on licence) has had ‘surgery’, although I believe he did most of it to himself.

Do you think he is a suitable person to be in the womens ward or prison? Changing his genitalia doesn’t seem to have diminished his agression.

Exactly what they want? Like free ample breasts .. medication based on want not clinical need... and the right to access all and any spaces without censure, the right to police the language of women? .. Have you read the latest manifesto?

Narcissitic man can't believe that people saw through his attempts to pervert justice.

I have… 🤣 I’ve even kept a hard copy to show to any people that might ask me to ‘be kind’ just to show them exactly why I won’t.

A 2011 Swedish study of transsexual
men (they had had surgery) found they retained male patterns of aggression:

Second, regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality.

RESEARCH ARTICLE
Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden
Cecilia Dhejne, Paul Lichtenstein, Marcus Boman, Anna L. V. Johansson, Niklas Långström, Mikael Landén

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

And he isn’t, thankfully.

Sorry, I had lost the quote. I was answering and agreeing with @Allthegoodnamesarechosen who had said:
That bloke in the beret who urged people to punch a TERF ( and was returned to prison whence he was on licence) has had ‘surgery’, although I believe he did most of it to himself.

Do you think he is a suitable person to be in the womens ward or prison? Changing his genitalia doesn’t seem to have diminished his agression.

I’m pretty ancient, so I can remember several ‘old school’ transsexuals .Not from the press, but from personal experience. I was friendly with one of Jan Morris’ children, I met April Ashley when I was an undergraduate and April was over thirty, but still hanging out with boys ( the age of adulthood was 21 then) . One of my friendship circle transitioned fully in his late twenties, and so we met several other transitioners through him.

None of these people fitted the ‘gentle , timid ( and physically unthreatening) ‘ stereotype of the old school transsexual at all. They were very masculine in their self assertion, their resort to threat if things did not go their way, their general ‘manliness’ though not gentlemanliness.

Victoria McCloud seems to be fairly well aligned with the people I knew.

Are you saying he's an english man claiming to be an irish woman?

McCloud said that the issues behind an application to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg and for a judicial review in the UK involved “all women, especially lesbians and those perceived as unfeminine”

Parasitising their cause onto lesbians and “unfeminine” women now. I wonder which women they are perceiving to be unfeminine?

A 2011 Swedish study of transsexual
men (they had had surgery) found they retained male patterns of aggression

I am shocked.

😂😂🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈 🤮

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Lesbians are thrilled at being allowed to be lesbian and meet again without men all over them, or to have to listen to awful stuff about how his ladydick will have a different 'mouth feel' and lesbians just need to get used to it. I still roll about laughing at the one who wailed in his article how lesbians 'resist the penis!'

Yeah mate, you bloody bet I do!

It won't wash. The judgment made clear that one of the reasons it has to go by sex is because appearance is irrelevant. You can't do it by presentation, or who has a certificate, or who feels what, it's sex. End of. And we can go back to not worrying about masculine women (if that happens, it's mostly myth for political mileage) in women's spaces because they will BE women and not a man trying to deceive his way in.

As usual, this movement victim blames. If men scare and distress women by entering their spaces, to the point that women start worrying and asking questions about masculine looking people the answer is......

to go to the EHCR to insist they let men crack on distressing and scaring women!

cos it might upset the lesbians otherwise!

Or something.

He raises an interesting point - what a nonsense ‘legal sex’ is!

Do we even have a definition of ‘legal sex’?

We know what it isn’t.

It isn’t biological sex
It isn’t the ‘right’ to be treated ‘as a woman’ (because that isn’t a thing and you can’t mandate pronouns)
It isn’t even being a ‘legal woman’ for all purposes as the GRA has a clear exception with primogeniture (obviously for the benefit of the men who still want to inherit).

So what is it?

😂

We need to keep asking what 'rights' they've lost that they want.

Because what they want is access to women who are duped into thinking it's a male free space. They don't want clearly labelled mixed-sex toilets where the handmaidens can go and massage their egos. No. They don't.

It's been made quite clear with the hospital wards discussion. A private room isn't extra special and safe enough for them. No, they want to be in with unconsenting women.

They want to use women.