Why can't these men just accept women said no?

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I have been looking at some of the trans subreddits where obviously the Supreme court ruling is a big topic. Titles of threads include things like "Please IGNORE the EHRC guidance at work" "The supreme court’s just proved the proof that the U.K. is complicit in a Trans genocide" and various other threads on protests and how to fight the ruling, amend the act and so on. All so males can get access to women's single sex spaces.

Why is it that they can't accept that women said no? Why is it literal genocide to say sorry but you have to use the spaces designated for your own sex. They aren't facing any discrimination that they aren't protected by law from they just have to use their own male spaces now but somehow that is ground for some of them to be talking about trying to claim asylum overseas.

Do they really truly believe they are in the right here or do they just no care about what actual women want?

I just feel like they will not give up trying to transgress women's spaces, they are totally obsessed with access to women's changing rooms, refuges, sports, toilets and the women in them.

Some people do not accept defeat ever, some are bad losers. Some will never acknowledge other people's views. These are yet another example.

There are men who will kill a woman for saying no, even a complete stranger so its really not much of a surprise!
It's so common there's even a name for it - rejection killings.

@LlynTegid @Thelnebriati So depressing, and yet so true. I am concerned that a woman will end up getting hurt by rightfully objecting to a man in a female single sex space because he feels like a women and can't accept a woman saying no to his face.

They keep bandying "facism" about whereas what we have is the judgement of an independent court, which the Gov is respecting. It's the opposite of facism!

I can understand it when firms send similar emails out to staff, it is simply virtue signalling and an over-estimation of how many trans and allies employees there are. It looks like a support to staff and standing up to authority on behalf of your staff when in fact you're doing nothing.

Men who can’t accept the word no are incredibly dangerous.

The thing is that if they equate men in dresses not being able to use women's spaces with "genocide" if they actually believe that their lives are at risk because they can't change with women and girls then they are quite strongly incentivised to act out perhaps dangerously. I know that my actions in a life threatening situation would be quite different to a situation where I was merely inconvenienced or told that I wasn't able to do something I preferred to do.

So I hope that all their talk is just overblown attention seeking online and not actually going to result in an real risk to women and girls.

I have never followed anything to do with trans issues on social media,but all I seem to get now,is one angry trans women after another saying they will still be using women's changing or toilets ..
Is that what this has come down to ,a battle between the sexs for where you take a crap .
Why are they all so angry
If your born in a male body ,you are a male ,no Matter what you might chop off .
Perhaps they should seek asylum in other countries,see how much tolerance they think they are going to get elsewhere.
It is beyond belief to me ,that they think they are women,.
By all means men can dress in women's clothes,wear makeup,do whatever to your body ,it's yours after all.
But don't try to tell me your now a woman..your not ..your still a man

hmm, do I want to share a space where I am vulnerable or partially dressed with a man who cannot respect the word 'no'?

let me just think about that for a moment.....

They call it genocide because apparently loads of them are on the verge of killing themselves and something like this might just send them over the edge. Anyone who actually that suicidal should be in a secure mental health facility.

@JeremiahBullfrog Apparently lots of men are depressed because they can't find women who want to have sex with them, if we should let men into our single sex spaces then perhaps they feel we should also be forced to sleep with men we don't chose to because they feel sad. I am actually sure I have read from men in the past demands for state issued girlfriends.

They really don't see us as human do they?

This was posted on one of the reddits

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k87h7k/notice_i_am_a_transgender_woman_on_the_elected/

When I first read your title I thought it was going to be about rape. The fact that sprung to mind immediately shows that men inherently don't easily take 'no' as an answer from women.

Some of them are furious that we have consent in any shape or form. It's an inconvenience to them.

@BobbyBiscuits Well quite and I am sure that it all comes from the same place a deep sense of ownership that men have over women and deep disregard for their humanity. Its deeply rooted in misogyny.

It absolutely astounds me that so many transwomen and their allies call the ban on men being able to access women's single sex spaces misogyny and an act of patriarchy when it is just the opposite.

Thank you. Yeah, fully agree.
My cousin is a transman and doesn't threaten men? It's weird the way it's always transwomen seemingly causing discord against women. If you want to be us, why do you hate us so much? Oh, because you're Andrew Tate in a dress and lipstick?!

You're right OP, they don't see women as fully human. This has always been rooted in deep disrespect and derision for women.

I am grimly, horribly amused at the horror that men cannot possibly use spaces they do not like, feel safe in or feel comfortable in - when they were happy doing that to women, thereby demonstrating who held all the power in being a biological male in a woman's space. They were perfectly happy to subject women to that and to go on subjecting women to that. The reddit thread - 'where is the evidence of harm to women' - everywhere. But they will never see it or recognise it, or acknowledge that it matters because it's just women, and using women is necessary to their happiness.

The Equality Act can't be 'amended' it can only be destroyed for women and gay people.

Additional laws to overturn it would make that act incoherent.

If it's against human rights to make men use men's spaces when they identify as trans and perceive this as an affront to their privacy, dignity and safety women would have equal protections under that law .

They would have to seek to legally destroy women's protections and have a greater legal privilege that included access as a right to non consenting women in a state of undress, and made women's access to public spaces conditional on being used by men for whatever agenda, be it validation or sexual fulfilment or whatever. No one could think this was acceptable unless they fundamentally believe the only role of a biological woman is to serve men who are more valuable humans and by doing so demonstrate their own belief that a man is always a man and always holds that power and value by their biology

Its incoherent. Third spaces is the only way to permit women equality and recognise a trans person's desire not to use men's spaces. But this is a political movement led by and for men (supported by many women) in the belief frequently reinforced that they are more important than everyone else, that women have no rights and should and can be punished for any resistance, that their feelings should create everyone else's reality and it should be punishable that anyone refuses to participate in this, and that magical thinking is real, ie women can change sex. The sudden reappearance of law and a fixed objective reality is coming as one hell of a shock.

Because they’re men and it’s coming from the innate sense of male entitlement they have. We’re supposed to shut up and do as they say so they can use our discomfort to get their rocks.

The sad thing is there are many women on their side too. A female former colleague of mine has been posting on SM in support of trans women since the judgement. Her and a group of others apparently want to get a group of "big bearded transmen" (good luck finding them!) And accompany them to the ladies loos in protest! She actually said "this judgement is not in my name".

I've held back from saying anything. But today I just had to. I just said well I'm glad women now won't be raped in prisons and on hospital wards by transwomen. And that you can't blame women for wanting safe spaces. I suspect that's the end of the friendship! But I don't want to be friends with someone who is that deluded! We both worked in the CJS together too, so she should be fully aware of the issues relating to transwomen in prisons.

She's a very intelligent woman so I'm a little surprised on her strength of feeling over this, also a little saddened.

Well the fact is they (TRAs and handmaidens) knew all along that men aren’t women, and never will be.

No one ever really believed a man could change his sex to become a woman. Even though they parrot it and lie to themselves and anyone else who’ll listen, they know it’s bullshit. As we all do.

The fact the SC has ‘called them out on it’ in a stunning unequivocal legal rebuttal, just makes the poor little blighters cross. Where to go now, where to go now. Nowhere - but it’s not going to stop them trying.

So they can continue their nonsensical ranting and wailing and raving, but, it doesn’t matter any more. They must feel like they are up the creek without a paddle, because well, they are.

Thankfully, the law and history are now on the right side. The sex is real side. The biological sex is a fact and doesn’t change side.

Time for Eg. Stonewall to campaign for third spaces and relevant sports categories etc etc, as they should have all along. But somehow..

Because they have been pandered to since toddlerhood.

I often feel with the terribly righteous women who are so high on their protectiveness and mummy instincts that I would like to sit them down with the women who have been excluded from any space for these men, for the women who are traumatised, who have been raped by men identifying into their spaces, who have been assaulted - and some of the men who are not 'her lovely friends' - and see what happens when they have to face reality with their values.

Whether they would admit to their being some problems, or face their own innate male supremacism.

If they are so good at being women surely no one would know or care if they use female toilets. It's the obvious men just wanting to perv on women it should exclude. There have always been some people living their lives as a member of the opposite sex, often never being found out.

"They would have to seek to legally destroy women's protections and have a greater legal privilege that included access as a right to non consenting women in a state of undress, and made women's access to public spaces conditional on being used by men for whatever agenda, be it validation or sexual fulfilment or whatever. No one could think this was acceptable unless they fundamentally believe the only role of a biological woman is to serve men who are more valuable humans and by doing so demonstrate their own belief that a man is always a man and always holds that power and value by their biology"

@TheOtherRaven This absolutely nails it and completely refutes any claims that their side is the feminist and anti-patriarchal side and unmasks it as some of the deepest misogyny in society today. I truly wonder at those who cannot see this.

@dogcatkitten Vanishingly few transwomen pass, it is possible that in the some were accepted and tolerated by their friends and colleagues or in certain spaces but none of that changes the fact that even most passable transwomen is still a man. These men do not menstruate, or get pregnant, the cannot be post partum, or menopausal, they cannot miscarry or have a hysterectomy or go through a female puberty and women and girls should have the right to access spaces where they won't be subject to male interlopers and voyeurs on the female experience looking on in jealousy, judgement or excitement. They aren't women and they don't belong in our spaces regardless of if they pass or not.

Most people both women and men agree with us.

They are just a vocal minority.