Why can't these men just accept women said no?

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I have been looking at some of the trans subreddits where obviously the Supreme court ruling is a big topic. Titles of threads include things like "Please IGNORE the EHRC guidance at work" "The supreme court’s just proved the proof that the U.K. is complicit in a Trans genocide" and various other threads on protests and how to fight the ruling, amend the act and so on. All so males can get access to women's single sex spaces.

Why is it that they can't accept that women said no? Why is it literal genocide to say sorry but you have to use the spaces designated for your own sex. They aren't facing any discrimination that they aren't protected by law from they just have to use their own male spaces now but somehow that is ground for some of them to be talking about trying to claim asylum overseas.

Do they really truly believe they are in the right here or do they just no care about what actual women want?

I just feel like they will not give up trying to transgress women's spaces, they are totally obsessed with access to women's changing rooms, refuges, sports, toilets and the women in them.

For some TW part of the thrill was the very fact they knew they were encroaching on women’s spaces.

You only have to look online to see the masses of pictures of (very obviously) males, taking selfies in female toilets. All too often these include pictures of their penis, deliberately pissing on seats/the floor and/or mastubating.

They don’t want to use unisex facilities simply because it lacks the sexual illicit frisson.

For other TW, using female spaces isn’t about the space itself. It’s about using women to validate their identity. Without that validation they have to face the fact that irrespective of any social or physical modifications, they remain male. Having used that “strategy” for years they have become emotionally and irrationally dependent on it. The SC is forcing them to confront the true reality of their authentic self - and they don’t like it, nor are they able to process it having spent years in an echo chamber with like minded people preening each others ego and being on “the right side of history”.

In either case, the rights of women/girls has always been of no concern.

You question is asking why they haven’t got the latest memo.

The response is that they got the memo and the one before that…..ad nauseam. We’ve got the read receipts.

they keep citing this as if its a massive loophole that proves how unworkable the law is
EXCEPT that the SC ruling specifically discussed very masculine looking TIFs and said that they could in fact be excluded from women's SS provision, in order not to alarm women
I've just heard the interim EHRC guidance on R4 and they expanded on this, it would apply not just to toilets but eg to rape crisis services, and (if I heard right) it would be on a case by case basis, where as the general rules for SSEs are on a class basis
Bloody Stepen Whittle was moaning on about this in the Guardian today, he is supposed to be a bloody lawyer, try actually reading the judgement you numpty.

The similarity between the trans campaign and narcissistic emotional abuse is uncanny.

The gaslighting, the catastrophising so the temperature is always just below boiling point, the DARVOing [deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender], the ability to make absolutely everything about them, and to make themselves always the victim, including repeated suicide threats - it's all horribly familiar to anyone who has survived a relationship with a gaslighter.

Unfortunately, all that gaslighting and DARVOing is very effective - TRAs have achieved an incredible level of power and influence in society, entirely out of proportion to their numbers, and entirely devoid of any factual basis to their claims.

If their target was anybody other than women, it wouldn't work, but transgenderism was seized on with glee as yet another way not just to keep women in their place, but to take away rights that we thought were securely ours.

I'm sure it would be very easy for any trans person afraid of using the loo of their sex to have some sort of lanyard akin to the sunflower lanyard that many disabled people are happy to wear, to inform any unsuspecting blokes that the TW is really a man so don't fret that a woman has wrongly gone in the gents and vice versa for a TM in the ladies.

But somehow I can't see them going for that!

The PCOS one is nuts. I can’t even get my GP to diagnose me with PCOS even though I have all the symptoms so it’s good to know I can save time by just going into the ladies loos and getting them to do it for me. It’ll be such a comfort to find out that I can’t have electrolysis on the NHS for my facial hair even though transwomen can. I hate the phrase but these men really need to check their privilege.

Off topic, but electrolysis is shite in my experience. Laser is the way to go. My beautician does the chin/upper lip area for £15 a time x 6 sessions every couple of years and gets rid of the problem completely. May be worth thinking about seeing as us plain boring old regular women are not likely to get treatment on the NHS

I am trained to do electrolysis, (but do laser too) and treat many women with pcos.

Laser is not allowed to be called permanent, only electrolysis is. Laser can be certified as a permanent reduction, however.

Laser can cause hypertrichiosis and also stimulate hormonal hair growth, especially the type associated with pcos, making the situation far worse. Watch the HairyGothMother on YouTube for her experience of laser and pcos.

Laser is also not suitable for people with dark skin, or any pale or ginger hair.

Electrolysis is slower, but permanent, and works on all skin types, and hair colours, usually without risk if the technician is experieced.

Laser is best for hair growth on the body by far, due to the speed, but again not suitable for all.

I’m getting so sick of it all I feel I’m more angry than I ever have been. Just had a rant to my OH he gets it but just need to make sure he really gets it! Just can not believe it was allowed to get this far. There will always be evil in this world but it’s the do gooders and those lacking backbone in power that I’m so fucking angry with.

I think if they aren’t depressed about it they are angry. I’m so sad but never shocked about the the level of entitlement that men have

Thanks both @IDontHateRainbows and @OneGreyScroller and apologies for the derail OP.

Women didn't say no.

Parliament never said yes in the first place to put women in a position where they'd have to say no.

Because they have made their ‘identity’ their whole personality.

Because it breaks the delusion. The delusion only works if they can get other people to validate it.

Entitled, self-absorbed, boundary-pushing tossers. Some are also narcissists, and others are abusers. Some are both.

Apparently, the EHRC has banned trans people from being out in public…

“EHRC officially outlaws being trans in public”.
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k7w2m4/ehrc_officially_outlaws_being_trans_in_public/

Interesting article here, about “Toilet Hysteria”. Apparently it is not illegal for males to use female toilets, thus it is a civil matter and the police are unable to intervene. TW(BM) [TransWomen(Biological Males)] are therefore able to use the toilets of their chosen gender….

https://tacc.org.uk/2025/04/23/toilet-hysteria-isnt-law-why-trans-people-in-the-uk-can-still-pee-in-peace/

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting.

I'd be very interested to see what the EHRC say in response. The judgment and the EHRC advice is clear. Therefore this would seem to be men saying 'fuck women's rights and the law, we're doing what we want to women and women's spaces anyway'.

Which would put it in the ball park of the govt to explain how they intend to protect women's rights from men who intend to break the law. Possibly a law is needed to make it a criminal matter if some men cannot be relied on to permit anyone else rights.

but somehow that is ground for some of them to be talking about trying to claim asylum overseas

Please feel free to post any links to crowd funding pages to help cover costs of turning up overseas to claim asylum. I hear Iran, Moscow, Saudi, North Korea or Afghanistan are nice this time of year.

I'm sure that's right. It was social convention and the so called "social contract" that kept men out of the ladies. That has kind of broken down, but I think the judgement will make some people think twice, and we should see an end to the move to inviting men in eg via the signs that say you are welcome to use whatever facilities you like

Men in ladies spaces in a workplace would mean the employer is breaking the law by not providing single sex facilities.
So i could imagine, men using the ladies could be classed as Gross Misconduct. Sackable offences.
Think about it if someone films Mr Trans coming out the ladies how does the employer defend themselves in court.
And remember many small businesses (cafes pubs etc) the facilities will be classed as workplace. Even some biggish gyms will be workplace.

In a public toilet, like a shopping centre would it be voyeurism?

Looks like on the UK trans subreddit they are still telling people its ok to use the facilities of the sex they identify with as opposed to the one they actually are!

Reminder: IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO USE THE TOILET YOU'RE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH : r/transgenderUK

There are plenty of women who will not say 'no' to their own toddlers in case it scars them for life. And here we are, saying 'no' to grown men. The brass necks of us! How very dare we!