Why can't these men just accept women said no?

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I have been looking at some of the trans subreddits where obviously the Supreme court ruling is a big topic. Titles of threads include things like "Please IGNORE the EHRC guidance at work" "The supreme court’s just proved the proof that the U.K. is complicit in a Trans genocide" and various other threads on protests and how to fight the ruling, amend the act and so on. All so males can get access to women's single sex spaces.

Why is it that they can't accept that women said no? Why is it literal genocide to say sorry but you have to use the spaces designated for your own sex. They aren't facing any discrimination that they aren't protected by law from they just have to use their own male spaces now but somehow that is ground for some of them to be talking about trying to claim asylum overseas.

Do they really truly believe they are in the right here or do they just no care about what actual women want?

I just feel like they will not give up trying to transgress women's spaces, they are totally obsessed with access to women's changing rooms, refuges, sports, toilets and the women in them.

@MarieDeGournay Ah like this guy? I had to leave twitter after receiving multiple rape threats from men from men claiming to be progressive and true feminists.

Transmaidens, such as yourself, do not have the authority to consent to the removal of single-sex facilities and services on behalf of all women.

The Supreme Court has recognised this.

As far as I can see, they're basically Andrew Tate/Incel types, but possibly more dangerous in the sense that they are supported by the apparently 'right-thinking/liberal/progressive' types and by big business (nice to get your 'progressive' boxes ticked whilst you're trashing the planet and increasing inequality through your pursuit of profit).
Men, at population level, seem rather less keen to take no for an answer than are women. Now those men are backed by the 'left' as well as the 'right'.
To be fair to the patriarchy and end-state capitalism, it's clever. Evil, but clever.

Listened to Any Questions and Any Answers on Radio 4. Isn't it amazing (not) how transwomen supporters have suddenly switched to talking about transmen e.g.where will these poor people go...? Transmen were hardly ever part of the debate until it became obvious that transwomen could no longer use women to validate their magical belief that they were the opposite sex. So they are having to regroup.

Now the line is .. what woman wants a bearded, heavily built transman in their space?

The politics of desperation. Unfortunately, it will gain traction with those TRAs who cannot accept they have overreached themselves in the spurious belief that they can change sex. It seems like women - in this case transmen - are only valued when they can be used to shore up the case for transwomen i.e. men.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

@StMarie4me i wonder if you can answer this? I mean, maybe you’re happy just to plop and leave, but here, in this small corner of the internet, we tend to give more weight to opinions which are explained and backed up (unfashionable, I know)

I think one of the most significant factors here is that, for the last five years at least, and to a slightly lesser extent the past ten years, nobody has said “No” to them.

They have been sent on a massive power trip, during which they were supported by every political party, all trade unions, the police, the NHS, all left wing media, big businesses…

They were given power and now some women have stripped them of it. They are absolutely enraged.

Unfortunately for us, many are still supporting them, though fewer than before. Women are still afraid to speak up, afraid to say no, afraid to defend their own rights, while the likes of the BBC are still actively promoting the men to spout their vitriol.

How did we get to this where a court of law has to define what it is to be a woman? It's the sort of thing you would expect in fiction.

It’s nothing to do with ‘opinions’. It’s just hard biological fact.

It's the kind of thing that at one time would have been turned down as a work of fiction for being too far fetched. Yet here we are.

Wow, some of that thread is... special

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k87h7k/comment/mp4u2sf/

Drives me mad the way they keep mentioning women with pcos. Women with pcos do not look like men.

I think some people (quite a large proportion actually) make being trans their entire identity, so there's no chance they're going to willingly back down on this.

Which particular elements of the transbollox would you like to see being more widely accepted?

Sexism is like a flood of water - it will find any route to advance, and when one channel is blocked [women are women says UKSC] it will go around that block and find another route [what about 6 foot bearded transwomen/women with PCOS/butch lesbians].

Facts, reason, logic, the law - all these are just flimsy, temporary barriers which are quickly circumvented..

That's very doom-laden, sorry
but experience tells me that there is no absolute progress for women's rights, it's just a constant, often one-on-one struggle not to lose too much ground.

The fact that we live amongst, and in the case of some women, with men, and they are approx. as numerous as we are, adds to the difficulty - there are no absolutely safe spaces - as we have found with the challenge to single-sex spaces.

"Trying to claim asylum overseas."
🤣

I think we have to give the chaps some credit. After years of thinking their shouting ‘because I WAAANT it’ was enough they are starting to realise that they actually need to apply facts and logic. And they’re trying their very best. So far they’ve come up with

• if you follow through, every woman with PCOS will he harassed in single sex spaces for women
• i can’t go on a men’s ward because I can’t pee in a bottle
• I now can’t accompany my niece to the toilet which means I’m treated as a monster

Obviously none of these ‘reasons’ hold water once you follow them through, look at what other people do (like women who need to pee when on bed rest in hospital, or what other parents with opposite sex children do for public toilets). Hopefully their feeble attempts at reasoning will enable others to realise that they just don’t have anything credible to say.

Will be a fabulous film one day. Should anyone be brave enough to make it 🙄

They're men. They can stick it up their jumpers though, wailing and screaming isn't going to work this time. I can't wait until Australia catches up, we are still in the thick of this absolute nonsense.

You know when men threaten to harm themselves or commit suicide in relationships, usually when they aren’t being kowtowed to by their partner or the partner reaches the end of their tether and calls an end to the relationship? It’s actually recognised as a form of abuse/control these days. That is EXACTLY what all these screams of “genocide” and “literally killing” transwomen is all about. Either let me have my way or you will be responsible for my self imposed death.

JKR might have some contacts!

As for why this is seen as a "genocide" or whatever, those pushing the TRA agenda kept trying to tell everyone that trans people were at extremely high risk of suicide. If I remember correctly, this was largely based on a self-selecting study of about 17 people. (Assertions that trans people were at a higher risk of being murdered came, IIRC, from a study of South American trans people working in the sex trade, already a much higher risk "industry".)

Unfortunately, a lot of trans kids seem to have taken this on board, meaning that they convince themselves that they'll be suicidal. And that's before we get to gender-affirming medical "professionals" who would tell the parents that trans kids were at much higher risk of suicide, so the idea gets more and more entrenched.

I don't doubt that an awful lot of "trans" kids are disturbed or struggling in some way, or that this can lead to being suicidal. But no-one seems to have controlled for co-morbidities such as trauma, repressed homosexuality or neurodiversity in their examination as to why they might feel like that.

Yes. And it’s not new, they’ve just ramped up in a blind panic.

For years they’ve blackmailed desperate parents caught up in this scandal ‘Would you rather have a dead daughter or a live son?’ 😑😡 When it was all nonsense (as has been proven by research). They fed off parents real panic and sadnesses. Separated children from parents, to control them.

They’re trying the same again but ‘genocide’. 😡

Men turn to desperate measures when they don’t get their way, as we know. Thankfully this time women have already won and these TRAs just look more and more incoherent.

Oh snap @SidewaysOtter !

Suicide threats is classic emotional abuse

It is and also IME people who are genuinely suicidal have neither the energy not the inclination to shout about it. Which made their subsequent actions so very shocking and sad.

Unfortunately I've also met a couple of horribly toxic individuals who were always more than happy to threaten it if they weren't getting exactly what they wanted, yet strangely enough are still kicking about.

Pretty sure I can guess which camp the majority of the TRAs will fall into.