You may be right but you should be ashamed of yourself

[Pluvia]

Yesterday, at a Labour Party meeting, I proposed we should consider a motion welcoming the Supreme Court ruling and the clarity it offers women and lesbians in particular. The local transactivist nearly exploded with righteous indignation. My suggestion was voted down, almost unanimously.

On the way out someone who I know to be GC caught up with me and quietly said 'You may be right but you should be ashamed of yourself.' I asked whether I should be ashamed for supporting women and girls rights, or whether I should be ashamed of raising this at a Labour Party meeting when both our Labour prime minister and a key member of his cabinet had accepted and welcomed the ruling. They said 'Both'.

I can only conclude they are angry at me for being right and doing something about when they didn't dare do it themselves.

As they said: they feel that women are shamed by supporting women and girls' rights. Even though they want those rights.

That's their political views on a badge really, and it's male supremacism.

Thank you for your bravery in speaking up.

I can only conclude they are angry at me for being right and doing something about when they didn't dare do it themselves.

Pity isn't it. I dread to think that the Labour Party will keep this pot simmering until the next election.

But they do excel at holding grudges. (See Corbyn or attitude to Tony Blair). It will scupper them at the General Election, for that I will be pleased but I am not pleased that it will waste the time of serious people and take time away from dealing with very serious problems like NHS or Russian threats.

That is so disappointing this is happening at grassroots level, it seems that is like antisemitism. Was the person who came up to you female or male?

I am aware that another constituency has already passed a motion opposing the SC's ruling and demanding that Labour reject it.

I rejoined Labour to agitate from within and I knew what I was getting into. I know that there are a number of informed GC people in our local CLP but I hadn't factored in that they would want to go deeper into hiding now that the ruling has come out in our favour.

A woman. Someone who has been secretly GC all along, but who came out to me when I started questioning stuff in the Labour Party. I assume she's scared I'll reveal her dirty secret. I won't, obviously.

I want to bring back secret ballots. I bet a lot more people would have supported me if it wasn't a show of hands.

Be cautious with the 'secretly GC' types. They can't be trusted.

I agree - in the current climate, I would argue that it’s indirect discrimination against both women and people who hold gender critical beliefs to not have anonymous voting when it comes to issues affecting women’s rights.

The bullying has been acknowledgment over and over in both the HoC and HoL - no-one is denying that people are vilified for GC beliefs, so it’s obvious that a public vote is discriminatory.

An entire canon of social psychology research is lined up behind you on this point.

As ever, Asch, Cialdini, Lifton, Havel, Solzhenitsyn and so many others would agree with you.

It’s precisely because people know about group pressure that they force a public display and show of hands rather than a secret ballot. Preference falsification in action.

Yes, it was the leading TRA (a councillor who is openly lining herself up for a career in Westminster, and who has a lot of backing) who suddenly stopped any debate by calling for a show of hands. She absolutely hates any discussion of this topic and tries to shut it down whenever she spots it happening. I have never felt so viscerally hated by anyone before.

I see my role as prodding and poking and talking about this despite, until they either expel me (though as Bridget Phillipson and Keir Starmer agree with me, I don't see how) or I have to leave for my own mental wellbeing.

I agree - in the current climate, I would argue that it’s indirect discrimination against both women and people who hold gender critical beliefs to not have anonymous voting when it comes to issues affecting women’s rights.

That's interesting. Thank you, makes me feel a little better about it. There are times when it feels so personal.

Your crime was to not BE MIND

BE KIND!

That makes absolutely zero sense.

I'd have told her that she was the one who should be ashamed of herself for still being too shit scared to say what she really thinks even in the wake of the Supreme Court confirming that it is actually perfectly OK to believe that trans rights do not trump women's rights.

It’s a shame that these meetings aren't filmed or recorded, like Council meetings. It wasn’t until I saw the behaviour of some female counsellors shutting down genuine questions, concerns and discussions that I really understood how complicit, pernicious and toxic female TRAs were.

@Pluvia I’m so sorry that happened, what a bunch of idiots, this cult isn’t going to be easy to dismantle unfortunately, but kudos to you for standing up for yourself.

Nothing about it makes any sense at all. Men in women's loos, men the most vulnerable, men refusing a single room in hospital because it's their right to share a ward with women, women who in private when no one else is around rant about this being a MRA takeover and then put their hand up in public against continuing a discussion on the Supreme Court ruling...

I am suspicious of political parties formally "welcoming" court rulings. It adds an element of politicisation into the party's view of the court: an implication that other rulings might not be worth welcoming. "Well done this time, but you'd better watch out ... !" Though I doubt that's why the motion didn't get many votes. Obviously actively condemning the court, as many have, is even worse.

Thank you for speaking up. We need brave women like you.

Bloody well done for speaking up.

And how disappointing that the Labour Party is still riddled with misogynists, even among the women.

Thanks, but I knew what I was likely to come up against when I rejoined Labour so I was mentally braced for it. The reality when it happens does knock me back a bit.

I was so thrilled with the judgment. Now the reality bites.

And it says it all about how far we still have to go that she’s clearly terrified of being outed.

Thank you for trying. You shouldn’t have been treated like that.

Women are the best, most powerful and barnacle-like misogynists there are.

Great job, keep going!

And please bring both of them down… we don’t need any more TRAs or cowards running the country!!

Thanks everyone. For clarity, I didn't post for sympathy. I thought her comment 'You may be right but you should be ashamed of yourself' applies to everyone who's stood up against this. It's probably what we're all experiencing one way or another. People who know we are right but are mad at us for being right and want to do us down/ kick us/ make us feel bad for being right. We're deep into no-good-deed-goes-unpunished territory. Or people subconsciously kicking out at Mum, because she's in control and they're not.

We have to gird our loins, remind ourselves that we are right, and move forward.