Christine Jardine MP: Ensure rights that trans people have freely used for decades are not overturned

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Lib Dem spokesperson for Women and Equalities. Guess she doesn’t care so much about the “women” part of that title, eh? 🙄

Trans people have exactly the same rights as everyone else and for the exact same reasons. Use spaces for your sex or mixed sex ones.

Access to naked women and girls is not a false affirmation therapy for deluded men and I truly do not understand how people don't see how creepy and rapey they are being by insisting that it is a human right.

This can’t be said enough. Thank you.

And I raise a glass or several of the finest champagne to @MrsOvertonsWindow and @RhannionKPSS and all the other fabulously well informed, clear minded and clever women on this board 🥂🥂🥂

a litany of assaults, abuse and discrimination that trans people experience.

Given the trans worldview where disagreement is framed as literal violence, I suspect that what you understand by assault, abuse and discrimination is very different to most women's understanding and experience.

Up until now trans folks have tended to use spaces where they 'pass' best where they can for very obvious reasons.

Where they passed, or where they believed they passed because women were too uncomfortable to challenge them?

There is very little evidence that trans women (biological men) as a whole are disproportionately dangerous to women. Of course some are (as are other non-trans men and women).

How are we to tell the difference between harmless trans-IDing men and malevolent men? Good men stay out so that bad men stand out.

Women's rights to safety are not in opposition to trans folks rights to safety.

Absolutely. So men should stop 'dealing with' toxic male aggression by putting men into women's spaces.

She's my MP too, we must be terfy neighbours. Do you have C-H as your MSP?

I wrote to CJ ages ago about this, must see if I can find the reply. It wasn't good.

Yes C-H as well, he’s been quite helpful on some childcare stuff previously but sent a similar reply to CJ on this topic this week. Nice to know I’ve got some sensible neighbours!

I Remember he spoke against the Forensic services bill that would have enabled rape victims to choose the sex rather than the gender of their examiners. @JDEdin

literally no one on these boards has any empathy or interest for how terrifying the current situation is for trans folks.

< snorts >
I take it you have no empathy or interest for how terrifying the past decade has been for women and girls when confronted with a male in their single sex spaces? The law hasn't changed. Those men (of any kind) were deliberately breaking the law.

Unless I have missed the posts, literally no one on these boards has any empathy or interest for how terrifying the current situation is for trans folks.

yeah youve missed those posts

The current situation that rape crisis services can (and always have been allowed, despite the deliberate misleading by lobby groups) offer female single sex rape crisis services?

If you're trying to claim that that is 'terrifying' for transpeople, then you (and they) need to take a fucking good hard look at yourselves. The lack of empathy for women has always been stark but the footstamping vitriolic bullshite against women over the last two weeks about a judgement which simply clarified the existing guidance in the EQA2010 must have opened many eyes.

Echo chamber? I'll take that with an enormous pinch of salt given that gender ideology is the epitomy of an echo chamber.

I do wish one of the scolders would take their post and put it, with a few contextual tweaks, on a board used by tras or one of the tra subreddits. Then come back and tells us what reception telling them to 'be kind' got. Or how dressing them down for 'vitriol' was received. I'm picturing anything from bans and deletions right up to being reported to the Police and possibly getting a NCHI.

I am a woman (and mum) but clearly not welcome here

i doubt youve been told this, but just in case you have point me to the post and i will report it….I don’t think you will though

Ugh, yes I assume all the LDs will have done. I told him in my email last week that although we’ve had positive interactions in the past I won’t vote for someone who is against the SC judgment.

Hopefully @TemporarilyChangedToday will be providing those examples today. I am still interested in seeing them.

Following a link someone posted I came across this in the Scotsman

https://archive.ph/1AeN6

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/if-standing-up-for-trans-rights-makes-me-woke-at-least-that-shows-i-care-5100111

There's so much I could post about this self-serving pish but I restrict myself. Prior to trans rights becoming the fashionable cause du jour the few tw and tm went about their lives. They used the ladies and we didn't notice or noticed and didn't care or cared but gritted our teeth. It was genuinely a vanishingly small number and, we assumed probably correctly, they'd had all the surgeries. Everyone was rubbing along with very little friction. Then the activists, like Christine, seized on the issue. Twaw, they don't need surgeries, any male with a lady brain (he she knows his her gender, bigot. Rude! Just don't look) can get naked with female strangers, calling women women is hateful, you're a bleeder and you're fired. Transkids...what?... oh yes, definitely a thing. Untested and irrevocable drugs and then surgery or you might as well murder them. All the mind-boggling, stupid shit the tras, like her, spouted and supported. Had taught in schools. Spaffed millions to proselytise. Defeated, for now and not completely, by a small group of courageous, intelligent, extraordinary, ordinary women supported by pin money and one wealthy woman. Not by the millions given to the tras by Governments, rich trans individuals and also pin money from ordinary souls sucked into this shitshow. So here we are. And the vanishingly small number of tp are weeping in the wreckage while the architects of the crash, like Christine, the other tras and some tp <coughMcCloudcough>, completely fail to see where the blame really lies.

Reminds me of the story of the King who spent years and much gold building an elaborate tomb around the grave of his beloved wife. Before deciding that the grave, with its simple headstone, ruined it and just had to go.

Seems like my emails to her are having zero effect other than giving her staff a task to complete to reply to me. 🙄

I always feel sorry for anyone in Edinburgh West who isn't mired in this madness. Their elected representatives include the dim Christine, Alex 'did it all for Beth' Cole-Hamilton, Alison Johnstone, Sarah Boyack and...

Lorna 'I'm the Gingerbread man' Slater.

Holy hell.

I think you are all being perfectly beastly to Christine!

Credit where credit is due - she managed to write a whole letter about the trans response to the Supreme Court ruling without ever once mentioning toilets!

She only refers to non-specific 'anxiety' and 'fear' [of what??] and 'impact', but not to toilets.

That's quite an achievement - what other TRA/trans ally can you think of who could write a whole page about the SC ruling, without hesitation, repetition or deviation, and without mentioning toilets?
😄

I resigned my LibDem membership because of this nonsense.

I’ve got a reply from my LD MP which is tellingly similar to those quoted earlier. Wholly unsuited to my initial email and bizarrely focussed on toxicity.